• CD Projekt RED: TW4 has console first development with a 60fps target; 60fps on Series S will be "extremely challenging"

    DriftingSpirit
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    They note how they usually start with PC and scale down, but they will be doing it the other way around this time to avoid issues with the console versions.

    4:15 for console focus and 60fps
    38:50 for the Series S comment 

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    720p on Series S incoming
     

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    I think think any series s user will be happy with a beautiful 900p 30fps
     

    Chronos
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    This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.
     

    HellofaMouse
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    i wonder if this'll come out before the gen is over?

    good chance itll be a 2077 situation, cross-gen release with a broken ps6 version 

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    This makes sense since they want to have good performance on lower end machines and they mentioned that it was easier to scale up than to scale down. They also mentioned their legacy on PC and how they plan on scaling it up high like they usually do on PC.
     

    KRT
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    Series S was a mistake
     

    chris 1515
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    The game have raytracing GI and reflection it will probably be 30 fps 600p-720p on Xbox Series S.
     

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    Bulby said:

    I think think any series s user will be happy with a beautiful 900p 30fps

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    KRT said:

    Series S was a mistake

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    Can we stop with these stupid takes? For all we know it sold as much as Series X, helped several games have better optimization on bigger consoles and it will definitely help optimizing newer games to the Nintendo Switch 2. 

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    No one who cares about 60fps should be buying a Series S, just make it 30fps.
     

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    Chronos said:

    This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.

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    They can just go for 30 fps instead on the Series S. No need for a special deal for that, that's allowed. 

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    Hoping for a very nice looking 30fps Switch 2 version.
     

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    Maybe off topic, but is 30fps target not so important anymore for 2027 industry-leading graphics? GTA is mainly doing it for design/physics/etc. whch is why the game can't be scaled down to 720-900p/60fps?
     

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    Hoping for a very nice looking 30fps Switch 2 version.

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    It will be a full port a few years after like The Witcher 3., they don't use software lumen here. I doubt the Switch 2 Raytracing capaclity is high enough to use the same pipeline to produce the Switch 2 version.

    EDIT: And they probably need to redo all the assets.

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    Fortnite doesn't use Nanite and Lumen on Switch 2. 

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    Universal Acclaim said:

    Maybe off topic, but is 30fps target not so important anymore for 2027 industry-leading graphics? GTA is mainly doing it for design/physics/etc. whch is why the graphics can't be scaled down to 720p/60fps?

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    Graphics are the part of the game that can be scaled, it is CPU load that is the more difficult part, although devs have actually made cuts in the latter to increase performance mode fps viability. Even with this focus on 60fps performance modes, they are always going to have room to make a higher fidelity 30fps mode. Specifically with UE5 though, performance has been such a disaster all around and Epic seems to be taking it seriously now.
     

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    60 fps target is fantastic, I wish it was the norm.
     

    julia crawford
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    i am very ok with lower fps on the series s, it is far more palatable than severe resolution drops with upscaling artifacts.
     

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    Chronos said:

    This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.

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    And yet people keep talking about somehow getting PS6 games to work on the sony portable, which is probably going to be like half as powerful as a PS5, like that won't hold games back
     

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    chris 1515 said:

    The game have raytracing GI and reflection it will probably be 30 fps 600p-720p on Xbox Series S.

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    There is kinda a misconception of how Lumen and the hybrid RT is handled in UE5 titles. AO is also part of the ray traced pipeline through the HW Lumen too.
    Just shadows are handled separately from the RT system by using VSM which in final look behvae quite like RT shadows in shape, same how FF16 handled the shadows looking like RT ones while it isn't traced.
    UE5 can still trace shadows if they want to push things even further. 

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    What about the PS5 handheld?
     

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    KRT said:

    Series S was a mistake

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    Consoles were a mistake. 

    GPU
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    I really dont think Series S/X will be much of a factor by the time this game comes out.
     

    Lashley
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    Just make series s 480p 30fps
     

    pappacone
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    Greywaren said:

    60 fps target is fantastic, I wish it was the norm.

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    It pretty much is
     

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    I hope they can pull 60 FPS off in the full game.
     

    Theorry
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    "target"

    Uh huh. We know how that is gonna go. 

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    Skot said:

    720p on Series S incoming

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    If the PS5 is internally at 720p up to 900p, I seriously doubt that. 

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    It will be unstable 60fps with lots of stuttering.
     

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    KRT said:

    Series S was a mistake

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    With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid.
     

    Horns
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    I hope Microsoft drops the requirement for Series S by the time this comes out.
     

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    PLASTICA-MAN said:

    There is kinda a misconception of how Lumen and the hybrid RT is handled in UE5 titles. AO is also part of the ray traced pipeline through the HW Lumen too.

    Just shadows are handled separately from the RT system by using VSM which in final look behvae quite like RT shadows in shape, same how FF16 handled the shadows looking like RT ones while it isn't traced.
    UE5 can still trace shadows if they want to push things even further.
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    Yes indirect shadows are handled by hardware lumen. But at the end ot doesn¡t change my comment. i think the game will be 600´720p at 30 fps on Series S. 

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    Spoit said:

    And yet people keep talking about somehow getting PS6 games to work on the sony portable, which is probably going to be like half as powerful as a PS5, like that won't hold games back

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    Has it been confirmed that Sony is going to have release requirements like the XS?
     

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    Anyone remember when no load screens was talked about for Witcher 3?
     

    chris 1515
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    No this is probably different than most game are doing it here the main focus is the 60 fps mode and after they can create a balancedand 30 fps mode.

    This is not the other way around. 

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    defaltoption said:

    With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid.

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    And your mistake is comparing a PC graphics card to a console. 

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    chris 1515 said:

    Yes indirect shadows are handled by hardware lumen. But at the end ot doesn¡t change my comment. i think the game will be 600´720p at 30 fps on Series S.

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    Yes. I am sure Series S will have HW solution but probably at 30 FPS. that would be a miracle if they achieve 60 FPS. 

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    chris 1515 said:

    It will be a full port a few years after like The Witcher 3., they don't use software lumen here. I doubt the Switch 2 Raytracing capaclity is high enough to use the same pipeline to produce the Switch 2 version.

    EDIT: And they probably need to redo all the assets.

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    Fortnite doesn't use Nanite and Lumen on Switch 2.
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    Fortnite not using Lumen or Nanite at launch doesn't mean they can't run well on Switch 2. It's a launch port and they prioritized clean IQ and 60fps. I wouldn't be surprised to see them added later. Also it's not like the ray tracing in a Witcher 3 port has to match PS5, there's a lot of scaling back that can be done with ray tracing without ripping out the kitchen sink. Software lumen is also likely to be an option on P.
     

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    Interesting times ahead....

    bitcloudrzr said:

    Has it been confirmed that Sony is going to have release requirements like the XS?

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    Your know good n well everything about this rumor has been confirmed.

    /S 

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    Chronos said:

    This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.

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    How does this sound like a Cyberpunk issue? They didn't say they can't get it to work on the S.
     

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    stanman said:

    And your mistake is comparing a PC graphics card to a console.

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    Horns said:

    I hope Microsoft drops the requirement for Series S by the time this comes out.

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    why? dev can make it 30 fps on series s and 60 fps on series x if needed.

    if they aren't or don't have to drop it for gta vi, they probably ain't dropping it for tw4. 

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    defaltoption said:

    With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid.

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    No the consoles won't hold back your 5090 because the game is created with hardware lumen, RT reflection, virtual shadows maps and Nanite plus Nanite vegetation in minds. Maybe Nanite character too in final version?

    If the game was made with software lumen as the base it would have holding back your 5090...

    Your PC will have much better IQ, framerate and better raytracing with Megalightand better raytracing settings in general. 

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    jroc74 said:

    Interesting times ahead....

    Your know good n well everything about this rumor has been confirmed.

    /S
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    Sony is like the opposite of a platform holder "forcing" adoption, for better or worse.
     

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    chris 1515 said:

    No the consoles won't hold back yout 5090 because the game is created with hardware lumen, RT reflection, virtual shadows maps and Nanite plus Nanite vegetation in minds. Maybe Nanite character too in final version?

    If the game was made with software lumen as the base it would have holding back your 5090...

    Your PC will have much better IQ, framerate and better raytracing with Megalightand better raytracing settings in general.
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    Exactly, the series s is not a "mistake" or holding any version of the game on console or even PC back, that's what I'm saying to the person I replied to, its stupid to say that.
     

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    Have to imagine MS will lift the Series S parity clause when the next consoles launch. Which will be before/around the time W4 hits, right?
     

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    Chronos said:

    This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.

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    ? they said that 60 FPS on Series S is challenging, not the act of releasing the game there at all. The game can simply run at 30 FPS on Series S if they can't pull off 60 FPS. Or have a 40 FPS mode in lieu of 60 FPS.

    The CPU and storage speed differences between last gen and current gen were gigantic. This isn't even remotely close to a comparable situation. 

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    misqoute post
     

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    defaltoption said:

    With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid.

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    Ah yes, clearly 5090 cards are the vast majority of the minimum requirements for PC games.

    How can anyone say this with a straight face anymore when there are now PC games running on a Steam Deck.

    At least ppl saying that about the Series S are comparing it to other consoles.

    That said, it is interesting they are focusing on consoles first, then PC. 
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    CD Projekt RED: TW4 has console first development with a 60fps target; 60fps on Series S will be "extremely challenging"
    DriftingSpirit Member Oct 25, 2017 18,563 They note how they usually start with PC and scale down, but they will be doing it the other way around this time to avoid issues with the console versions. 4:15 for console focus and 60fps 38:50 for the Series S comment  bsigg Member Oct 25, 2017 25,153Inside The Witcher 4 Unreal Engine 5 Tech Demo: CD Projekt RED + Epic Deep Dive Interview www.resetera.com   Skot Member Oct 30, 2017 645 720p on Series S incoming   Bulby Prophet of Truth Member Oct 29, 2017 6,006 Berlin I think think any series s user will be happy with a beautiful 900p 30fps   Chronos Member Oct 27, 2017 1,249 This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.   HellofaMouse Member Oct 27, 2017 8,551 i wonder if this'll come out before the gen is over? good chance itll be a 2077 situation, cross-gen release with a broken ps6 version  logash Member Oct 27, 2017 6,526 This makes sense since they want to have good performance on lower end machines and they mentioned that it was easier to scale up than to scale down. They also mentioned their legacy on PC and how they plan on scaling it up high like they usually do on PC.   KRT Member Aug 7, 2020 247 Series S was a mistake   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain The game have raytracing GI and reflection it will probably be 30 fps 600p-720p on Xbox Series S.   bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 Bulby said: I think think any series s user will be happy with a beautiful 900p 30fps Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Yuuber Member Oct 28, 2017 4,540 KRT said: Series S was a mistake Click to expand... Click to shrink... Can we stop with these stupid takes? For all we know it sold as much as Series X, helped several games have better optimization on bigger consoles and it will definitely help optimizing newer games to the Nintendo Switch 2.  MANTRA Member Feb 21, 2024 1,198 No one who cares about 60fps should be buying a Series S, just make it 30fps.   Roytheone Member Oct 25, 2017 6,185 Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... They can just go for 30 fps instead on the Series S. No need for a special deal for that, that's allowed.  Matterhorn Member Feb 6, 2019 254 United States Hoping for a very nice looking 30fps Switch 2 version.   Universal Acclaim Member Oct 5, 2024 2,617 Maybe off topic, but is 30fps target not so important anymore for 2027 industry-leading graphics? GTA is mainly doing it for design/physics/etc. whch is why the game can't be scaled down to 720-900p/60fps?   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain Matterhorn said: Hoping for a very nice looking 30fps Switch 2 version. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It will be a full port a few years after like The Witcher 3., they don't use software lumen here. I doubt the Switch 2 Raytracing capaclity is high enough to use the same pipeline to produce the Switch 2 version. EDIT: And they probably need to redo all the assets. / Fortnite doesn't use Nanite and Lumen on Switch 2.  Last edited: Yesterday at 4:18 PM bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 Universal Acclaim said: Maybe off topic, but is 30fps target not so important anymore for 2027 industry-leading graphics? GTA is mainly doing it for design/physics/etc. whch is why the graphics can't be scaled down to 720p/60fps? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Graphics are the part of the game that can be scaled, it is CPU load that is the more difficult part, although devs have actually made cuts in the latter to increase performance mode fps viability. Even with this focus on 60fps performance modes, they are always going to have room to make a higher fidelity 30fps mode. Specifically with UE5 though, performance has been such a disaster all around and Epic seems to be taking it seriously now.   Greywaren Member Jul 16, 2019 13,530 Spain 60 fps target is fantastic, I wish it was the norm.   julia crawford Took the red AND the blue pills Member Oct 27, 2017 40,709 i am very ok with lower fps on the series s, it is far more palatable than severe resolution drops with upscaling artifacts.   Spoit Member Oct 28, 2017 5,599 Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... And yet people keep talking about somehow getting PS6 games to work on the sony portable, which is probably going to be like half as powerful as a PS5, like that won't hold games back   PLASTICA-MAN Member Oct 26, 2017 29,563 chris 1515 said: The game have raytracing GI and reflection it will probably be 30 fps 600p-720p on Xbox Series S. Click to expand... Click to shrink... There is kinda a misconception of how Lumen and the hybrid RT is handled in UE5 titles. AO is also part of the ray traced pipeline through the HW Lumen too. Just shadows are handled separately from the RT system by using VSM which in final look behvae quite like RT shadows in shape, same how FF16 handled the shadows looking like RT ones while it isn't traced. UE5 can still trace shadows if they want to push things even further.  overthewaves Member Sep 30, 2020 1,203 What about the PS5 handheld?   nullpotential Member Jun 24, 2024 87 KRT said: Series S was a mistake Click to expand... Click to shrink... Consoles were a mistake.  GPU Member Oct 10, 2024 1,075 I really dont think Series S/X will be much of a factor by the time this game comes out.   Lashley <<Tag Here>> Member Oct 25, 2017 65,679 Just make series s 480p 30fps   pappacone Member Jan 10, 2020 4,076 Greywaren said: 60 fps target is fantastic, I wish it was the norm. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It pretty much is   Super Studied the Buster Sword Member Jan 29, 2022 13,601 I hope they can pull 60 FPS off in the full game.   Theorry Member Oct 27, 2017 69,045 "target" Uh huh. We know how that is gonna go.  Jakartalado Member Oct 27, 2017 2,818 São Paulo, Brazil Skot said: 720p on Series S incoming Click to expand... Click to shrink... If the PS5 is internally at 720p up to 900p, I seriously doubt that.  Revoltoftheunique Member Jan 23, 2022 2,312 It will be unstable 60fps with lots of stuttering.   defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin KRT said: Series S was a mistake Click to expand... Click to shrink... With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid.   Horns Member Dec 7, 2018 3,423 I hope Microsoft drops the requirement for Series S by the time this comes out.   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain PLASTICA-MAN said: There is kinda a misconception of how Lumen and the hybrid RT is handled in UE5 titles. AO is also part of the ray traced pipeline through the HW Lumen too. Just shadows are handled separately from the RT system by using VSM which in final look behvae quite like RT shadows in shape, same how FF16 handled the shadows looking like RT ones while it isn't traced. UE5 can still trace shadows if they want to push things even further. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes indirect shadows are handled by hardware lumen. But at the end ot doesn¡t change my comment. i think the game will be 600´720p at 30 fps on Series S.  bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 Spoit said: And yet people keep talking about somehow getting PS6 games to work on the sony portable, which is probably going to be like half as powerful as a PS5, like that won't hold games back Click to expand... Click to shrink... Has it been confirmed that Sony is going to have release requirements like the XS?   Commander Shepherd Member Jan 27, 2023 173 Anyone remember when no load screens was talked about for Witcher 3?   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain No this is probably different than most game are doing it here the main focus is the 60 fps mode and after they can create a balancedand 30 fps mode. This is not the other way around.  stanman Member Feb 13, 2025 235 defaltoption said: With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid. Click to expand... Click to shrink... And your mistake is comparing a PC graphics card to a console.  PLASTICA-MAN Member Oct 26, 2017 29,563 chris 1515 said: Yes indirect shadows are handled by hardware lumen. But at the end ot doesn¡t change my comment. i think the game will be 600´720p at 30 fps on Series S. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes. I am sure Series S will have HW solution but probably at 30 FPS. that would be a miracle if they achieve 60 FPS.  ArchedThunder Uncle Beerus Member Oct 25, 2017 21,278 chris 1515 said: It will be a full port a few years after like The Witcher 3., they don't use software lumen here. I doubt the Switch 2 Raytracing capaclity is high enough to use the same pipeline to produce the Switch 2 version. EDIT: And they probably need to redo all the assets. / Fortnite doesn't use Nanite and Lumen on Switch 2. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Fortnite not using Lumen or Nanite at launch doesn't mean they can't run well on Switch 2. It's a launch port and they prioritized clean IQ and 60fps. I wouldn't be surprised to see them added later. Also it's not like the ray tracing in a Witcher 3 port has to match PS5, there's a lot of scaling back that can be done with ray tracing without ripping out the kitchen sink. Software lumen is also likely to be an option on P.   jroc74 Member Oct 27, 2017 34,465 Interesting times ahead.... bitcloudrzr said: Has it been confirmed that Sony is going to have release requirements like the XS? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Your know good n well everything about this rumor has been confirmed. /S  Derbel McDillet ▲ Legend ▲ Member Nov 23, 2022 25,250 Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... How does this sound like a Cyberpunk issue? They didn't say they can't get it to work on the S.   defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin stanman said: And your mistake is comparing a PC graphics card to a console. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   reksveks Member May 17, 2022 7,628 Horns said: I hope Microsoft drops the requirement for Series S by the time this comes out. Click to expand... Click to shrink... why? dev can make it 30 fps on series s and 60 fps on series x if needed. if they aren't or don't have to drop it for gta vi, they probably ain't dropping it for tw4.  chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain defaltoption said: With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid. Click to expand... Click to shrink... No the consoles won't hold back your 5090 because the game is created with hardware lumen, RT reflection, virtual shadows maps and Nanite plus Nanite vegetation in minds. Maybe Nanite character too in final version? If the game was made with software lumen as the base it would have holding back your 5090... Your PC will have much better IQ, framerate and better raytracing with Megalightand better raytracing settings in general.  bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 jroc74 said: Interesting times ahead.... Your know good n well everything about this rumor has been confirmed. /S Click to expand... Click to shrink... Sony is like the opposite of a platform holder "forcing" adoption, for better or worse.   defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin chris 1515 said: No the consoles won't hold back yout 5090 because the game is created with hardware lumen, RT reflection, virtual shadows maps and Nanite plus Nanite vegetation in minds. Maybe Nanite character too in final version? If the game was made with software lumen as the base it would have holding back your 5090... Your PC will have much better IQ, framerate and better raytracing with Megalightand better raytracing settings in general. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Exactly, the series s is not a "mistake" or holding any version of the game on console or even PC back, that's what I'm saying to the person I replied to, its stupid to say that.   cursed beef Member Jan 3, 2021 998 Have to imagine MS will lift the Series S parity clause when the next consoles launch. Which will be before/around the time W4 hits, right?   Alvis Saw the truth behind the copied door Member Oct 25, 2017 12,270 EU Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... ? they said that 60 FPS on Series S is challenging, not the act of releasing the game there at all. The game can simply run at 30 FPS on Series S if they can't pull off 60 FPS. Or have a 40 FPS mode in lieu of 60 FPS. The CPU and storage speed differences between last gen and current gen were gigantic. This isn't even remotely close to a comparable situation.  defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin misqoute post   jroc74 Member Oct 27, 2017 34,465 defaltoption said: With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Ah yes, clearly 5090 cards are the vast majority of the minimum requirements for PC games. How can anyone say this with a straight face anymore when there are now PC games running on a Steam Deck. At least ppl saying that about the Series S are comparing it to other consoles. That said, it is interesting they are focusing on consoles first, then PC.  #projekt #red #tw4 #has #console
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    DriftingSpirit Member Oct 25, 2017 18,563 They note how they usually start with PC and scale down, but they will be doing it the other way around this time to avoid issues with the console versions. 4:15 for console focus and 60fps 38:50 for the Series S comment  bsigg Member Oct 25, 2017 25,153 [DF] Inside The Witcher 4 Unreal Engine 5 Tech Demo: CD Projekt RED + Epic Deep Dive Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OplYN2MMI4Q www.resetera.com   Skot Member Oct 30, 2017 645 720p on Series S incoming   Bulby Prophet of Truth Member Oct 29, 2017 6,006 Berlin I think think any series s user will be happy with a beautiful 900p 30fps   Chronos Member Oct 27, 2017 1,249 This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation.   HellofaMouse Member Oct 27, 2017 8,551 i wonder if this'll come out before the gen is over? good chance itll be a 2077 situation, cross-gen release with a broken ps6 version  logash Member Oct 27, 2017 6,526 This makes sense since they want to have good performance on lower end machines and they mentioned that it was easier to scale up than to scale down. They also mentioned their legacy on PC and how they plan on scaling it up high like they usually do on PC.   KRT Member Aug 7, 2020 247 Series S was a mistake   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain The game have raytracing GI and reflection it will probably be 30 fps 600p-720p on Xbox Series S.   bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 Bulby said: I think think any series s user will be happy with a beautiful 900p 30fps Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Yuuber Member Oct 28, 2017 4,540 KRT said: Series S was a mistake Click to expand... Click to shrink... Can we stop with these stupid takes? For all we know it sold as much as Series X, helped several games have better optimization on bigger consoles and it will definitely help optimizing newer games to the Nintendo Switch 2.  MANTRA Member Feb 21, 2024 1,198 No one who cares about 60fps should be buying a Series S, just make it 30fps.   Roytheone Member Oct 25, 2017 6,185 Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... They can just go for 30 fps instead on the Series S. No need for a special deal for that, that's allowed.  Matterhorn Member Feb 6, 2019 254 United States Hoping for a very nice looking 30fps Switch 2 version.   Universal Acclaim Member Oct 5, 2024 2,617 Maybe off topic, but is 30fps target not so important anymore for 2027 industry-leading graphics? GTA is mainly doing it for design/physics/etc. whch is why the game can't be scaled down to 720-900p/60fps?   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain Matterhorn said: Hoping for a very nice looking 30fps Switch 2 version. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It will be a full port a few years after like The Witcher 3., they don't use software lumen here. I doubt the Switch 2 Raytracing capaclity is high enough to use the same pipeline to produce the Switch 2 version. EDIT: And they probably need to redo all the assets. https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/1l4a1o4/fortnite_on_the_switch_2_looks_great_these_low/ Fortnite doesn't use Nanite and Lumen on Switch 2.  Last edited: Yesterday at 4:18 PM bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 Universal Acclaim said: Maybe off topic, but is 30fps target not so important anymore for 2027 industry-leading graphics? GTA is mainly doing it for design/physics/etc. whch is why the graphics can't be scaled down to 720p/60fps? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Graphics are the part of the game that can be scaled, it is CPU load that is the more difficult part, although devs have actually made cuts in the latter to increase performance mode fps viability. Even with this focus on 60fps performance modes, they are always going to have room to make a higher fidelity 30fps mode. Specifically with UE5 though, performance has been such a disaster all around and Epic seems to be taking it seriously now.   Greywaren Member Jul 16, 2019 13,530 Spain 60 fps target is fantastic, I wish it was the norm.   julia crawford Took the red AND the blue pills Member Oct 27, 2017 40,709 i am very ok with lower fps on the series s, it is far more palatable than severe resolution drops with upscaling artifacts.   Spoit Member Oct 28, 2017 5,599 Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... And yet people keep talking about somehow getting PS6 games to work on the sony portable, which is probably going to be like half as powerful as a PS5, like that won't hold games back   PLASTICA-MAN Member Oct 26, 2017 29,563 chris 1515 said: The game have raytracing GI and reflection it will probably be 30 fps 600p-720p on Xbox Series S. Click to expand... Click to shrink... There is kinda a misconception of how Lumen and the hybrid RT is handled in UE5 titles. AO is also part of the ray traced pipeline through the HW Lumen too. Just shadows are handled separately from the RT system by using VSM which in final look behvae quite like RT shadows in shape, same how FF16 handled the shadows looking like RT ones while it isn't traced. UE5 can still trace shadows if they want to push things even further.  overthewaves Member Sep 30, 2020 1,203 What about the PS5 handheld?   nullpotential Member Jun 24, 2024 87 KRT said: Series S was a mistake Click to expand... Click to shrink... Consoles were a mistake.  GPU Member Oct 10, 2024 1,075 I really dont think Series S/X will be much of a factor by the time this game comes out.   Lashley <<Tag Here>> Member Oct 25, 2017 65,679 Just make series s 480p 30fps   pappacone Member Jan 10, 2020 4,076 Greywaren said: 60 fps target is fantastic, I wish it was the norm. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It pretty much is   Super Studied the Buster Sword Member Jan 29, 2022 13,601 I hope they can pull 60 FPS off in the full game.   Theorry Member Oct 27, 2017 69,045 "target" Uh huh. We know how that is gonna go.  Jakartalado Member Oct 27, 2017 2,818 São Paulo, Brazil Skot said: 720p on Series S incoming Click to expand... Click to shrink... If the PS5 is internally at 720p up to 900p, I seriously doubt that.  Revoltoftheunique Member Jan 23, 2022 2,312 It will be unstable 60fps with lots of stuttering.   defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin KRT said: Series S was a mistake Click to expand... Click to shrink... With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid.   Horns Member Dec 7, 2018 3,423 I hope Microsoft drops the requirement for Series S by the time this comes out.   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain PLASTICA-MAN said: There is kinda a misconception of how Lumen and the hybrid RT is handled in UE5 titles. AO is also part of the ray traced pipeline through the HW Lumen too. Just shadows are handled separately from the RT system by using VSM which in final look behvae quite like RT shadows in shape, same how FF16 handled the shadows looking like RT ones while it isn't traced. UE5 can still trace shadows if they want to push things even further. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes indirect shadows are handled by hardware lumen. But at the end ot doesn¡t change my comment. i think the game will be 600´720p at 30 fps on Series S.  bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 Spoit said: And yet people keep talking about somehow getting PS6 games to work on the sony portable, which is probably going to be like half as powerful as a PS5, like that won't hold games back Click to expand... Click to shrink... Has it been confirmed that Sony is going to have release requirements like the XS?   Commander Shepherd Member Jan 27, 2023 173 Anyone remember when no load screens was talked about for Witcher 3?   chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain No this is probably different than most game are doing it here the main focus is the 60 fps mode and after they can create a balanced(40 fps) and 30 fps mode. This is not the other way around.  stanman Member Feb 13, 2025 235 defaltoption said: With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid. Click to expand... Click to shrink... And your mistake is comparing a PC graphics card to a console.  PLASTICA-MAN Member Oct 26, 2017 29,563 chris 1515 said: Yes indirect shadows are handled by hardware lumen. But at the end ot doesn¡t change my comment. i think the game will be 600´720p at 30 fps on Series S. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes. I am sure Series S will have HW solution but probably at 30 FPS. that would be a miracle if they achieve 60 FPS.  ArchedThunder Uncle Beerus Member Oct 25, 2017 21,278 chris 1515 said: It will be a full port a few years after like The Witcher 3., they don't use software lumen here. I doubt the Switch 2 Raytracing capaclity is high enough to use the same pipeline to produce the Switch 2 version. EDIT: And they probably need to redo all the assets. https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/1l4a1o4/fortnite_on_the_switch_2_looks_great_these_low/ Fortnite doesn't use Nanite and Lumen on Switch 2. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Fortnite not using Lumen or Nanite at launch doesn't mean they can't run well on Switch 2. It's a launch port and they prioritized clean IQ and 60fps. I wouldn't be surprised to see them added later. Also it's not like the ray tracing in a Witcher 3 port has to match PS5, there's a lot of scaling back that can be done with ray tracing without ripping out the kitchen sink. Software lumen is also likely to be an option on P.   jroc74 Member Oct 27, 2017 34,465 Interesting times ahead.... bitcloudrzr said: Has it been confirmed that Sony is going to have release requirements like the XS? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Your know good n well everything about this rumor has been confirmed. /S  Derbel McDillet ▲ Legend ▲ Member Nov 23, 2022 25,250 Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... How does this sound like a Cyberpunk issue? They didn't say they can't get it to work on the S.   defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin stanman said: And your mistake is comparing a PC graphics card to a console. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   reksveks Member May 17, 2022 7,628 Horns said: I hope Microsoft drops the requirement for Series S by the time this comes out. Click to expand... Click to shrink... why? dev can make it 30 fps on series s and 60 fps on series x if needed. if they aren't or don't have to drop it for gta vi, they probably ain't dropping it for tw4.  chris 1515 Member Oct 27, 2017 7,116 Barcelona Spain defaltoption said: With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid. Click to expand... Click to shrink... No the consoles won't hold back your 5090 because the game is created with hardware lumen, RT reflection, virtual shadows maps and Nanite plus Nanite vegetation in minds. Maybe Nanite character too in final version? If the game was made with software lumen as the base it would have holding back your 5090... Your PC will have much better IQ, framerate and better raytracing with Megalight(direct raytraced shadows with tons of lighe source) and better raytracing settings in general.  bitcloudrzr Member May 31, 2018 21,044 jroc74 said: Interesting times ahead.... Your know good n well everything about this rumor has been confirmed. /S Click to expand... Click to shrink... Sony is like the opposite of a platform holder "forcing" adoption, for better or worse.   defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin chris 1515 said: No the consoles won't hold back yout 5090 because the game is created with hardware lumen, RT reflection, virtual shadows maps and Nanite plus Nanite vegetation in minds. Maybe Nanite character too in final version? If the game was made with software lumen as the base it would have holding back your 5090... Your PC will have much better IQ, framerate and better raytracing with Megalight(direct raytraced shadows) and better raytracing settings in general. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Exactly, the series s is not a "mistake" or holding any version of the game on console or even PC back, that's what I'm saying to the person I replied to, its stupid to say that.   cursed beef Member Jan 3, 2021 998 Have to imagine MS will lift the Series S parity clause when the next consoles launch. Which will be before/around the time W4 hits, right?   Alvis Saw the truth behind the copied door Member Oct 25, 2017 12,270 EU Chronos said: This better not be a Cyberpunk situation all over again. If they can't get it to work on S, then they may just need to abandon that console. Work out a deal with MS or wait for their next generation. Click to expand... Click to shrink... ? they said that 60 FPS on Series S is challenging, not the act of releasing the game there at all. The game can simply run at 30 FPS on Series S if they can't pull off 60 FPS. Or have a 40 FPS mode in lieu of 60 FPS. The CPU and storage speed differences between last gen and current gen were gigantic. This isn't even remotely close to a comparable situation.  defaltoption Plug in a controller and enter the Konami code The Fallen Oct 27, 2017 12,485 Austin misqoute post   jroc74 Member Oct 27, 2017 34,465 defaltoption said: With that same attitude in this case you could say consoles are the mistake. You on your Series X or PS5 Pro are holding my 5090 back. Not so fun of a take anymore. Thats why its stupid. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Ah yes, clearly 5090 cards are the vast majority of the minimum requirements for PC games. How can anyone say this with a straight face anymore when there are now PC games running on a Steam Deck. At least ppl saying that about the Series S are comparing it to other consoles. That said, it is interesting they are focusing on consoles first, then PC. 
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    Adam Scott5 June 2025Progress ReportSometimes, just adding a compiler flag can yield significant performance boosts. And that just happened.For about two years now, all major browsers have supported WASMSIMD. SIMD stands for “Single instruction, multiple data” and is a technology that permits CPUs to do some parallel computation, often speeding up the whole program. And that’s exactly why we tried it out recently.We got positive results.The need for performance on the WebThe Web platform is often overlooked as a viable target, because of its less-than-ideal environment and its perceived poor performance. And the perception is somewhat right: the Web environment has a lot of security-related quirks to take into account—the user needs to interact with a game frame before the browser allows it to play any sound1. Also, due to bandwidth and compatibility reasons, you rarely see high-fidelity games being played on a browser. Performance is better achieved when running software natively on the operating system.But don’t underestimate the potential of the Web platform. As I explained in broad terms at the talk I gave at the last GodotCon Boston 2025, the Web has caught up a lot since the days of Flash games. Not only are there more people playing Web games every year, but standards and browsers improve every year in functionality and in performance.And that’s why we are interested in using WASM SIMD.WASM SIMD BenchmarksOur resident benchmark expert Hugo Locurcioran the numbers for us on a stress test I made. We wanted to compare standard builds to builds with WASM SIMD enabled.Note: You may try to replicate his results, but be aware that he has a beast of a machine. Here are his PC’s specifications:CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KGPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090RAM: 64 GBSSD: Solidigm P44 Pro 2 TBOS: LinuxI built a Jolt physics stress test from a scene initially made by passivestar. By spawning more and more barrels into the contraption, we can easily test the performance difference between the WASM SIMD build and the other.Without WASM SIMDWith WASM SIMDImprovementTest linksLinkLink-Firefox 1382×Firefox 13810.17×*Chromium 1341.37×Chromium 13414.17×**Please note that once the physics engine enters a “spiral of death”, it is common for the framerate to drop to single digits, SIMD or not. These tests don’t prove 10× to 15× CPU computing speed improvements, but rather that games will be more resilient to framerate drops on the same machine in the same circumstances. The 1.5× to 2× numbers are more representative here of the performance gains by WASM SIMD.What it means for your gamesStarting with 4.5 dev 5, you can expect your Web games to run a little bit more smoothly, without having to do anything. Especially when things get chaotic. It isn’t a silver bullet for poorly optimized games, but it will help nonetheless. Also, note that it cannot do anything for GPU rendering bottlenecks.Be aware that the stress tests are meant by nature to only test the worst case scenarios, so you may not see such large improvements in normal circumstances. But it’s nice to see such stark improvements when the worst happens.AvailabilityFrom here on out, the 4.5 release official templates will only support WebAssembly SIMD-compatible browsers in order to keep the template sizes small. We generally aim to maintain compatibility with the oldest devices we can. But in this case, the performance gains are too large to ignore and the chances of users having browsers that are that far out of date is too small relative to the potential benefits.If you need to use non-SIMD templates, don’t fret. You can always build the Godot Editor and the engine templates without WebAssembly SIMD support by using the wasm_simd=no build option.What’s next?As I wrote in my last blog post, we’re currently working very hard to make C#/.NET exports a reality. We do have a promising prototype, we just need to make sure that it’s production-ready.I also mentioned in that article that I wanted to concentrate on improving our asset loading game. Preloading an entire game before even starting it hinders the ability to use Godot for commercial Web games. Once something is implemented to improve that issue, count on me to share the news with you.It’s either that, or we return to the old days of spam-webpages using the “Congratulations, you won!” sound effect when you least expect it. ↩
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    Upcoming (serious) Web performance boost
    UpcomingWeb performance boostBy: Adam Scott5 June 2025Progress ReportSometimes, just adding a compiler flag can yield significant performance boosts. And that just happened.For about two years now, all major browsers have supported WASMSIMD. SIMD stands for “Single instruction, multiple data” and is a technology that permits CPUs to do some parallel computation, often speeding up the whole program. And that’s exactly why we tried it out recently.We got positive results.The need for performance on the WebThe Web platform is often overlooked as a viable target, because of its less-than-ideal environment and its perceived poor performance. And the perception is somewhat right: the Web environment has a lot of security-related quirks to take into account—the user needs to interact with a game frame before the browser allows it to play any sound1. Also, due to bandwidth and compatibility reasons, you rarely see high-fidelity games being played on a browser. Performance is better achieved when running software natively on the operating system.But don’t underestimate the potential of the Web platform. As I explained in broad terms at the talk I gave at the last GodotCon Boston 2025, the Web has caught up a lot since the days of Flash games. Not only are there more people playing Web games every year, but standards and browsers improve every year in functionality and in performance.And that’s why we are interested in using WASM SIMD.WASM SIMD BenchmarksOur resident benchmark expert Hugo Locurcioran the numbers for us on a stress test I made. We wanted to compare standard builds to builds with WASM SIMD enabled.Note: You may try to replicate his results, but be aware that he has a beast of a machine. Here are his PC’s specifications:CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KGPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090RAM: 64 GBSSD: Solidigm P44 Pro 2 TBOS: LinuxI built a Jolt physics stress test from a scene initially made by passivestar. By spawning more and more barrels into the contraption, we can easily test the performance difference between the WASM SIMD build and the other.Without WASM SIMDWith WASM SIMDImprovementTest linksLinkLink-Firefox 1382×Firefox 13810.17×*Chromium 1341.37×Chromium 13414.17×**Please note that once the physics engine enters a “spiral of death”, it is common for the framerate to drop to single digits, SIMD or not. These tests don’t prove 10× to 15× CPU computing speed improvements, but rather that games will be more resilient to framerate drops on the same machine in the same circumstances. The 1.5× to 2× numbers are more representative here of the performance gains by WASM SIMD.What it means for your gamesStarting with 4.5 dev 5, you can expect your Web games to run a little bit more smoothly, without having to do anything. Especially when things get chaotic. It isn’t a silver bullet for poorly optimized games, but it will help nonetheless. Also, note that it cannot do anything for GPU rendering bottlenecks.Be aware that the stress tests are meant by nature to only test the worst case scenarios, so you may not see such large improvements in normal circumstances. But it’s nice to see such stark improvements when the worst happens.AvailabilityFrom here on out, the 4.5 release official templates will only support WebAssembly SIMD-compatible browsers in order to keep the template sizes small. We generally aim to maintain compatibility with the oldest devices we can. But in this case, the performance gains are too large to ignore and the chances of users having browsers that are that far out of date is too small relative to the potential benefits.If you need to use non-SIMD templates, don’t fret. You can always build the Godot Editor and the engine templates without WebAssembly SIMD support by using the wasm_simd=no build option.What’s next?As I wrote in my last blog post, we’re currently working very hard to make C#/.NET exports a reality. We do have a promising prototype, we just need to make sure that it’s production-ready.I also mentioned in that article that I wanted to concentrate on improving our asset loading game. Preloading an entire game before even starting it hinders the ability to use Godot for commercial Web games. Once something is implemented to improve that issue, count on me to share the news with you.It’s either that, or we return to the old days of spam-webpages using the “Congratulations, you won!” sound effect when you least expect it. ↩ #upcoming #serious #web #performance #boost
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    Upcoming (serious) Web performance boost
    Upcoming (serious) Web performance boostBy: Adam Scott5 June 2025Progress ReportSometimes, just adding a compiler flag can yield significant performance boosts. And that just happened.For about two years now, all major browsers have supported WASM (WebAssembly) SIMD. SIMD stands for “Single instruction, multiple data” and is a technology that permits CPUs to do some parallel computation, often speeding up the whole program. And that’s exactly why we tried it out recently.We got positive results.The need for performance on the WebThe Web platform is often overlooked as a viable target, because of its less-than-ideal environment and its perceived poor performance. And the perception is somewhat right: the Web environment has a lot of security-related quirks to take into account—the user needs to interact with a game frame before the browser allows it to play any sound1. Also, due to bandwidth and compatibility reasons, you rarely see high-fidelity games being played on a browser. Performance is better achieved when running software natively on the operating system.But don’t underestimate the potential of the Web platform. As I explained in broad terms at the talk I gave at the last GodotCon Boston 2025, the Web has caught up a lot since the days of Flash games. Not only are there more people playing Web games every year, but standards and browsers improve every year in functionality and in performance.And that’s why we are interested in using WASM SIMD.WASM SIMD BenchmarksOur resident benchmark expert Hugo Locurcio (better known as Calinou) ran the numbers for us on a stress test I made. We wanted to compare standard builds to builds with WASM SIMD enabled.Note: You may try to replicate his results, but be aware that he has a beast of a machine. Here are his PC’s specifications:CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KGPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090RAM: 64 GB (2×32 GB DDR5-5800 CL30)SSD: Solidigm P44 Pro 2 TBOS: Linux (Fedora 42)I built a Jolt physics stress test from a scene initially made by passivestar. By spawning more and more barrels into the contraption, we can easily test the performance difference between the WASM SIMD build and the other.Without WASM SIMDWith WASM SIMDImprovement (approx.)Test linksLinkLink-Firefox 138(“+100 barrels” 3 times)2×Firefox 138(“+100 barrels” 6 times)10.17×*Chromium 134(“+100 barrels” 3 times)1.37×Chromium 134(“+100 barrels” 6 times)14.17×**Please note that once the physics engine enters a “spiral of death”, it is common for the framerate to drop to single digits, SIMD or not. These tests don’t prove 10× to 15× CPU computing speed improvements, but rather that games will be more resilient to framerate drops on the same machine in the same circumstances. The 1.5× to 2× numbers are more representative here of the performance gains by WASM SIMD.What it means for your gamesStarting with 4.5 dev 5, you can expect your Web games to run a little bit more smoothly, without having to do anything. Especially when things get chaotic (for your CPU). It isn’t a silver bullet for poorly optimized games, but it will help nonetheless. Also, note that it cannot do anything for GPU rendering bottlenecks.Be aware that the stress tests are meant by nature to only test the worst case scenarios, so you may not see such large improvements in normal circumstances. But it’s nice to see such stark improvements when the worst happens.AvailabilityFrom here on out, the 4.5 release official templates will only support WebAssembly SIMD-compatible browsers in order to keep the template sizes small. We generally aim to maintain compatibility with the oldest devices we can. But in this case, the performance gains are too large to ignore and the chances of users having browsers that are that far out of date is too small relative to the potential benefits.If you need to use non-SIMD templates, don’t fret. You can always build the Godot Editor and the engine templates without WebAssembly SIMD support by using the wasm_simd=no build option.What’s next?As I wrote in my last blog post, we’re currently working very hard to make C#/.NET exports a reality. We do have a promising prototype, we just need to make sure that it’s production-ready.I also mentioned in that article that I wanted to concentrate on improving our asset loading game. Preloading an entire game before even starting it hinders the ability to use Godot for commercial Web games. Once something is implemented to improve that issue, count on me to share the news with you.It’s either that, or we return to the old days of spam-webpages using the “Congratulations, you won!” sound effect when you least expect it. ↩
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  • AMD Octa-core Ryzen AI Max Pro 385 Processor Spotted On Geekbench: Affordable Strix Halo Chips Are About To Enter The Market

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    AMD Octa-core Ryzen AI Max Pro 385 Processor Spotted On Geekbench: Affordable Strix Halo Chips Are About To Enter The Market

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    May 31, 2025 at 08:29am EDT

    After a long time, we finally saw a glimpse of a mid-range Zen 5 Strix Halo chip, which is usually rare to find on devices.
    AMD Ryzen AI Max Pro 385 Benchmarked on Geekbench; Scores 2489 Points in Single and 14136 Points in Multi-Core Tests
    It has been quite a while since AMD launched its premium segment Zen 5 mobile chips. The Strix Halo is the strongest-ever lineup based on the Zen 5 architecture, which offers up to a staggering 16-cores/32-threads configuration. However, most of the machines, including AI mini PCs and laptops, are mostly equipped with the flagship model, even though AMD also launched several SKUs in the lineup.
    AMD's Ryzen AI Max Pro 395 is usually seen on high-end mobile devices, boasting 16-core/32-threads and a Radeon 8060S, but this is probably the first time we have witnessed a mid-range 8-core/16-thread SKU. It's the Ryzen AI Max Pro 385, which offers 8x Zen 5 cores clocked at 3.6 GHz with boost clock of up to 5 GHz and carries the RDNA 3.5-based Radeon 8050S graphics. Unlike the Pro 395, the Pro 385 is significantly weaker in the CPU department but is fairly strong when it comes to the integrated graphics.

    While the iGPU needs to be tested for comparison, the Radeon 8050S is only 8 Compute Units behind the Radeon 8060S. This will surely put the latter in a noticeably higher position in graphical performance, but the Radeon 8050S is likely the second strongest iGPU you will currently find on the mainstream market. Nonetheless, coming to the CPU itself, the Ryzen AI Max Pro 385 is used on an HP ZBook Ultra G1a 14-inch mobile workstation laptop. We have seen such laptops and mini PCs with faster Strix Halo variants, but it's good to see that manufacturers are going to offer more affordable options.

    The processor scored 2489 points in single and 14136 points in multicore tests, but that will hugely vary from test to test, and we all know that Geekbench 6 isn't exactly a reliable test platform for CPUs. What's more important is that we can finally see cheaper alternatives to Ryzen AI Max Pro 395-based devices, offering excellent iGPU performance. Mini PCs and laptops equipped with Ryzen AI Max Pro 385 can easily play games at 1080p with playable framerates, but keep in mind that many of these devices will be targeted towards professionals and content creators.
    Being able to offer up to 50 NPU TOPS and over 100 TOPS of AI performance overall, the Ryzen AI Max Pro 385 can be a solid option for AI workloads as well. Ryzen AI Max Pro 395-based laptops and mini PCs usually cost nearly and above, but with the availability of Ryzen AI Max Pro 385, we can finally see sub-systems.
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    The PlayStation 6 will not be out for a couple of years, at least that is what Sony has hinted, and if you have been itching to experience those visually breathtaking titles at a higher resolution and framerates than what the PlayStation 5 was capable of achieving, allowing us to redirect you to the PlayStation 5 Pro. The latter ships with a 2TB SSD, so you do not have to worry about storage when you power on the console, but here is a sweetener; you also do not have to worry about paying extra.
    That is because the PS5 Pro is currently going for on Amazon after a discount, making it one of the extremely rare occasions that a price cut has been observed on Sony’s latest and greatest hardware. Of course, before you ask, this is the Digital Edition, but if you happen to have discs lying around that you want to insert, then you can reinvest those savings into a Disc Drive, which currently retails for on Amazon. The PS5 Pro is Sony’s first console to support the company’s PSSR upscaling technology, which helps to bump that framerate while maintaining that crisp image quality.

    Best of all, the increased firepower of the PlayStation 5 Pro gives game developers additional headroom to incorporate visual features such as ray tracing, introducing a new level of immersion. These capabilities will ensure that you have one heck of an experience in titles like GTA 6, which is said to launch next year in May. Included in the packaging is an HDMI cable, along with a pre-installed digital copy of Astro’s Playroom.
    Alongside the PS5 Pro, Amazon has also discounted the PlayStation DualSense Edge Wireless Controller by 15 percent, and it can be yours for Keep in mind that since these price cuts have been introduced at the same time, there is a possibility that you might not be able to take advantage of these offers at a later time, so it is prudent that you get a hold of the PlayStation 5 Pro as early as possible.
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    CD Projekt Red’s Cyberpunk 2077 Ultimate Edition on Nintendo Switch is one of the most exciting releases for the Switch 2 launch. After an atrocious release on last-gen consoles, the intense sci-fi RPG is a powerful benchmark of what the device is capable of.
    In a recent analysis of new footage provided by Nvidia, tech analysts at Digital Foundry explained that the asset quality of the game on Switch 2 is “on par” with the game’s PS4 version, albeit with better image quality. However, even more impressively, the new version has been described as “a match” for the Xbox Series S version of the game.
    Is Cyberpunk 2077 on Switch 2 better than PS4?
    In the latest episode of the DF Direct Weekly podcast, analyst Tom Morgan explained that the texture quality of CDPR’s RPG on Switch 2 manages to hit a higher resolution on the new handheld.
    “What it reveals with PS4, right away, is that we’re getting similar asset quality, similar texture quality, it’s pretty much there,” Morgan explained. “What we are seeing as well is that image quality is massively improved… on the Switch version is a 720p to 1080p range… compared to what we had on PS4 which is 720p to 900p using CDPR’s own TAA.”
    Morgan explained that there’s “no contest” between the two versions when it comes to the image quality between the two versions, explaining that the new handheld in “another league when it comes to sharpening up those details, clarifying noise, reducing noise across temporal shimmer which has always been a big problem with this game”.
    What about Series S?
    The comparison gets more interesting when compared to the Xbox Series S version of the game. While the Nintendo Switch 2’s slower CPU means that the handheld can’t have a 60fps mode like the budget-priced Xbox, it is a match for the game’s quality mode.
    Thanks to DLSS image reconstruction instead of the Xbox’s use of the now-outdated FSR 2, the Switch 2 version of the game has much better image clarity on details such as clothes stitching and background fences when characters are in movement. The Switch 2 version of Cyberpunk 2077 also eliminates a lot of the shimmering issues with the game on Series S, despite technically running at a lower resolution internally.
    Technically, the Xbox Series S is running at a higher resolution than the Switch 2 version, but DLSS’ improvement over FSR 2, it ends up looking substantially cleaner in static shots and it’s far from perfect. High speed driving and complex scenes can cause a lot of issues on items such as hair and small objects moving in the background.
    How about that performance?
    As we mentioned earlier, the Nintendo Switch 2 version of Cyberpunk 2077 won’t be able to run at 60fps, although there will be a 720p/40fps mode, but the game’s 30fps framerate lock in the provided footage is also not perfect. When driving, the game skips frames on a regular basis with some scenes hitting a low of 20fps.
    Some missions in Cyberpunk 2077 can be incredibly intensive such as the initial skirmish through the city near the game’s opening. Of course, there’s time for CDPR to improve the game and iron out some major performance issues, but as a very CPU-limited game, it’s not too surprising to see the game chug when you’re travelling through the game’s dense Night City.
    For more Cyberpunk 2077 coverage, read about the latest news surrounding the in-development sequel and its second city to explore. Additionally, read about the Switch 2 version of Star Wars Outlaws and how its perhaps too big for the upcoming handheld.

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  • ROG Ally: Triple AAA Gaming Windows handheld

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    The Asus ROG Ally handheld gaming PC is real, not an April Fools’ joke

    No fooling — but no specs or price, either.

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    The ROG Ally has a seven-inch 16:9 display with 1920 x 1080 resolution, 500 nits of brightness, and a 120HZ refresh rate, compared to the Steam Deck specs, which are listed as a seven-inch 16:10 display at 1280 x 800 resolution, 400 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate.

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    I want more of these, but they need to think about adding alternative control interfaces built into the system. Maybenot a whole touch pad but maybe a nipple and some back buttons. Plus it is is ROG, you know it will cost 2 souls and a leg

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    Seems like it'll be pricey as hell but I do like that it has a 16:9 display, Windows with good looking dashboard for all your launchers, and how quiet it is. I just want that eGPU connector, or something similar to it, on the next Steam Deck.
     

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    >1080p

    rip battery life 

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    Seems like it'll be pricey as hell but I do like that it has a 16:9 display, Windows with good looking dashboard for all your launchers, and how quiet it is. I just want that eGPU connector, or something similar to it, on the next Steam Deck.

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    Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point.

    However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense. 

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    >1080p

    >120hz
    >500nits 

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    nsilvias said:

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    80s kids know

     

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    Dangerman1337 said:

    Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point.

    However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense.
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    Dave doesn't know the price point. He's just assuming because they said it would be available at Best Buy and that they don't do low volume products so ASUS expects it to sell well, which means it likely has an appealing price point. I don't know though...
     

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    I'd rather have 720p and that d-pad looks like ass but otherwise, this thing seems like it could be pretty good.
     

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    Dangerman1337 said:

    Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point.

    However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense.
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    In the time you you typed this post 3 more models of the Aya neo has been announced
     

    AuthenticM
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    I didn't know that ROG was an initialism. I've always pronounced it like an acronym.

    So I can install my GOG games on this? 

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    Dave doesn't know the price point. He's just assuming because they said it would be available at Best Buy and that they don't do low volume products so ASUS expects it to sell well, which means it likely has an appealing price point. I don't know though...

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    Asus apparently told Dave it.

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    Heh :p.
     

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    1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld.
     

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    So that's nine As?
     

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    1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld.

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    Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass.

    I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld. 

    Busaiku
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    Ya, nothing matters until we know about battery and price.
     

    neoak
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    However, in our experience, they've relied on an AMD 6800U chipset instead of a custom design and generally lack the right combination of horsepower and efficiency that we want to see from handheld gaming machines.

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    I swear the Verge reporter doesn't understand how crippled is the Steam Deck CPU for having 4 cores only when CPU matters a ton more in low resolutions.

    AMD doesn't do custom unless you are going to buy millions, but then again, it's the iVerge. 

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    1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld.

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    I'd argue not in phones either but ¯\__/¯

    And you are right, it's hard to get more than 60fps in recent titles even on 6800U with 45W TDP 

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    Dinjoralo said:

    Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass.

    I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld.
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    Dinjoralo said:

    Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass.

    I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld.
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    Do I pronounce this like Broccoli
     

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    Keyser S said:

    Do I pronounce this like Broccoli

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    I prefer asymmetrical sticks on my controllers, but on handhelds where the sides are vertical straight up and down, they should not be offset due to where your thumbs land. The switch cramps my hand having to contort my thumb and rotate my hand to hit the sticks. It is better with and ergonomic attachment but it is not the most convenient.
     

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    Looks interesting and I might bite depending on battery life and price. I'm a bit lukewarm on the steamdeck and still waiting to see what comes next.
     

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    Does this have a gyroscope like the Deck?
     

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    Haloid1177 said:

    Armoury Crate is a mess of a software but I will give it credit that it causes me way less issues than iCUE or the Lian Li fan/RGB controller.

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    I had to disable iCUE as it kept waking up my PC from power saving. I never really used it anyway so no big loss. 

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    ROG XG Mobile eGPU? That's interesting, seeing as Oculink on the Win Max 2 allows you to have only a 10% performance penalty vs a full desktop for external using PCIe Gen4 x4.

    This will make it interesting. Unfortunately Destiny 2 sucks ass on anything less than 10" >.< 

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    120hz is actually great for games like Hollow Knight or Fight N Rage
     

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    Happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be very surprised if the starter model of this is < Most of these handheld Windows devices are k+.
     

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    If the 120Hz display is VRR , that's a gamechanger. Framerates lower than 60 will benefit immensely. The Deck needs this too.
     

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    Atolm said:

    120hz is actually great for games like Hollow Knight or Fight N Rage

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    Actually, hadn't considered that. Very valid point.
     

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    I'm always down for more high-performance handhelds, that d-pad looks squishy as hell though.

    Lmao at the actor casually pulling the handheld out of his jacket pocket, those are some big pockets. 

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    It's like all these companies that are big enough to somewhat compete saw the Deck success and then made hand held. Logitech launches a cloud one, Razer launches a ARM one a year after the Deck and now Asus seems to think they have to one up the Deck everywhereand will result in pricing themselves out of the market.
     

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    Performance and cost will be interesting. Lack of touchpads is a bummer as that has been a great feature for the deck for me.
     

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    Everyone's minds when they're playing AAAAAAAAA games on the handheld of the future

     

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    Qwark said:

    I'm always down for more high-performance handhelds, that d-pad looks squishy as hell though.

    Lmao at the actor casually pulling the handheld out of his jacket pocket, those are some big pockets.
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    These feel like a bunch of specs thrown at a wall - a screen like that will chew up battery in no time, and the hardware won't be there to back it up.

    This is what I really appreciated about the Steam Deck - it seemed thought out and that all the hardware was designed for a certain performance level. 

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    It's good to see more products in this space, but I'm just never going to buy a PC handheld that doesn't have touchpads. It's frustrating that only Valve is making a handheld that can actually play the games I want to play.
     

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    Will come down to price of course. There's countless Windows handhelds around these days - many objectively better than the Deck, but none that can match it's price point.

    On that note, yes the 1080p screen is appealing for a handheld. I have a Deck, but I expressly use my Ayn Odin Lite for things like Game Pass, GFN, or even watching anime, because it can push double the pixels with ease. Then again, it's Android so it has battery for days. 

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    Oh windows based, that mean native gamepass gaming? Hmm that might be interesting.
     

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    I hope they support Steam OS as an alternative to Windows 11.
     

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    Koukalaka said:

    1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld.

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    bad ergonomics - shallow grip, menu buttons out of reach. Single USB port!
    rocker dpad - why copy the 360s terrible dpad
    dual fans plus higher refresh/resolution/brightness screen - huge battery drain
    Windows instead of SteamOS - no suspend + license fee
    DOA
     

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    DjDeathCool said:

    General usageon a 120hz display feels much much nicer. It's one of those things you get used to and don't realize how nice it is until it's gone. It's not about gameplay. Lol.

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    It's about battery life man. Never said it wasn't nice.
     

    Tsunami561
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    This sounds like one of those other handhelds that are on paper way more powerfull than the deck but then is twice the price and the user experience sucks
     

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    Looks interesting, and I'm always happy to see new entrants into this space, as it gives people more options. Specifically, if they are selling this in B&M retail stores, it'll open the market to people who aren't comfortable ordering a Steam Deck, or getting a Chinese/HK manufactured device of unknown quality.The resolution and refresh rates sound "ambitious", but if it's anything like the GPD I have, you'll be able to knock the refresh rate down to 40hz, and do the usual FSR resolution scaling to save on performance. I'd be surprised if a demanding game lasted more than 2 hours on a single charge though - that just seems to be the norm with the current tech, but its enough for a commute, or a long train journey if you are happy playing 2D stuff.

    As for it using windows, ehhh, It's the easiest way forward right now. Yes it takes a while to boot or come out of standby compared to SteamOS, and the UI kinda sucks on a small screen, but it has zero compatibility issues and allows every current launcher straight out of the box, so you get every advantage of a full PC with only a couple minor downsides.

    My only negative with what I've seen so far, is the size. It's only a shave smaller than the Steam Deck, which is already a chunky bugger. I'd have liked it to be more like the GPD Win 4. Oh well. 

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    Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 View: The Asus ROG Ally handheld gaming PC is real, not an April Fools’ joke No fooling — but no specs or price, either. www.theverge.com The ROG Ally has a seven-inch 16:9 display with 1920 x 1080 resolution, 500 nits of brightness, and a 120HZ refresh rate, compared to the Steam Deck specs, which are listed as a seven-inch 16:10 display at 1280 x 800 resolution, 400 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I want more of these, but they need to think about adding alternative control interfaces built into the system. Maybenot a whole touch pad but maybe a nipple and some back buttons. Plus it is is ROG, you know it will cost 2 souls and a leg Dave2d Handheld View:   Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 Seems like it'll be pricey as hell but I do like that it has a 16:9 display, Windows with good looking dashboard for all your launchers, and how quiet it is. I just want that eGPU connector, or something similar to it, on the next Steam Deck.   nsilvias Member Oct 25, 2017 30,169 >1080p rip battery life  Dangerman1337 Member Jul 2, 2021 3,187 United Kingdom, The Wirral, Hoylake Sullivan said: Seems like it'll be pricey as hell but I do like that it has a 16:9 display, Windows with good looking dashboard for all your launchers, and how quiet it is. I just want that eGPU connector, or something similar to it, on the next Steam Deck. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point. However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense.  Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 nsilvias said: >1080p rip battery life Click to expand... Click to shrink... >1080p >120hz >500nits  OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 nsilvias said: >1080p rip battery life Click to expand... Click to shrink... 80s kids know   Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 Dangerman1337 said: Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point. However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Dave doesn't know the price point. He's just assuming because they said it would be available at Best Buy and that they don't do low volume products so ASUS expects it to sell well, which means it likely has an appealing price point. I don't know though...   jack. Member Oct 27, 2017 1,357 I'd rather have 720p and that d-pad looks like ass but otherwise, this thing seems like it could be pretty good.   OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 Dangerman1337 said: Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point. However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense. Click to expand... Click to shrink... In the time you you typed this post 3 more models of the Aya neo has been announced   AuthenticM Son Altesse Sérénissime The Fallen Oct 25, 2017 35,186 I didn't know that ROG was an initialism. I've always pronounced it like an acronym. So I can install my GOG games on this?  Dangerman1337 Member Jul 2, 2021 3,187 United Kingdom, The Wirral, Hoylake Sullivan said: Dave doesn't know the price point. He's just assuming because they said it would be available at Best Buy and that they don't do low volume products so ASUS expects it to sell well, which means it likely has an appealing price point. I don't know though... Click to expand... Click to shrink... Asus apparently told Dave it. Slayven said: In the time you you typed this post 3 more models of the Aya neo has been announced Click to expand... Click to shrink... Heh :p.   Koukalaka Member Oct 28, 2017 10,405 Scotland 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld.   Biosnake Member Oct 25, 2017 14,335 show me more   Radogol Member Nov 9, 2017 384 So that's nine As?   OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 Koukalaka said: 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Sounds like the stats for a endurance battery tester   Dinjoralo Member Oct 25, 2017 11,729 Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass. I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld.  Busaiku Teyvat Traveler Member Oct 25, 2017 17,947 Ya, nothing matters until we know about battery and price.   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 However, in our experience, they've relied on an AMD 6800U chipset instead of a custom design and generally lack the right combination of horsepower and efficiency that we want to see from handheld gaming machines. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I swear the Verge reporter doesn't understand how crippled is the Steam Deck CPU for having 4 cores only when CPU matters a ton more in low resolutions. AMD doesn't do custom unless you are going to buy millions, but then again, it's the iVerge.  neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Koukalaka said: 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I'd argue not in phones either but ¯\__/¯ And you are right, it's hard to get more than 60fps in recent titles even on 6800U with 45W TDP  Haloid1177 Member Oct 25, 2017 4,847 Dinjoralo said: Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass. I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Armoury Crate is a mess of a software but I will give it credit that it causes me way less issues than iCUE or the Lian Li fan/RGB controller.  OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 Dinjoralo said: Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass. I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... You also squeeze out a bit more performance by turning down bigger games   Biosnake Member Oct 25, 2017 14,335 Keyser S The Fallen Oct 26, 2017 8,480 Do I pronounce this like Broccoli   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Keyser S said: Do I pronounce this like Broccoli Click to expand... Click to shrink... ROG is supposed to be spelled R.O.G.   cgpartlow Member Oct 27, 2017 3,476 Seattle, WA I prefer asymmetrical sticks on my controllers, but on handhelds where the sides are vertical straight up and down, they should not be offset due to where your thumbs land. The switch cramps my hand having to contort my thumb and rotate my hand to hit the sticks. It is better with and ergonomic attachment but it is not the most convenient.   bbg_g Member Jun 21, 2020 835 Looks interesting and I might bite depending on battery life and price. I'm a bit lukewarm on the steamdeck and still waiting to see what comes next.   Neoxon Spotlighting Black Excellence - Diversity Analyst Member Oct 25, 2017 93,547 Houston, TX Does this have a gyroscope like the Deck?   Mashing Member Oct 28, 2017 3,411 Haloid1177 said: Armoury Crate is a mess of a software but I will give it credit that it causes me way less issues than iCUE or the Lian Li fan/RGB controller. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I had to disable iCUE as it kept waking up my PC from power saving. I never really used it anyway so no big loss.  neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 ROG XG Mobile eGPU? That's interesting, seeing as Oculink on the Win Max 2 allows you to have only a 10% performance penalty vs a full desktop for external using PCIe Gen4 x4. This will make it interesting. Unfortunately Destiny 2 sucks ass on anything less than 10" >.<  Atolm Member Oct 25, 2017 6,154 120hz is actually great for games like Hollow Knight or Fight N Rage   BennyWhatever Member Oct 27, 2017 5,504 US Happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be very surprised if the starter model of this is < Most of these handheld Windows devices are k+.   Cats_Schrodinger Member Oct 29, 2017 4,050 If the 120Hz display is VRR , that's a gamechanger. Framerates lower than 60 will benefit immensely. The Deck needs this too.   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Atolm said: 120hz is actually great for games like Hollow Knight or Fight N Rage Click to expand... Click to shrink... Actually, hadn't considered that. Very valid point.   Qwark Member Oct 27, 2017 10,263 I'm always down for more high-performance handhelds, that d-pad looks squishy as hell though. Lmao at the actor casually pulling the handheld out of his jacket pocket, those are some big pockets.  AmFreak Member Oct 26, 2017 3,220 It's like all these companies that are big enough to somewhat compete saw the Deck success and then made hand held. Logitech launches a cloud one, Razer launches a ARM one a year after the Deck and now Asus seems to think they have to one up the Deck everywhereand will result in pricing themselves out of the market.   Charpunk Member Oct 25, 2017 12,555 Performance and cost will be interesting. Lack of touchpads is a bummer as that has been a great feature for the deck for me.   SaberVS7 Member Oct 25, 2017 6,750 Everyone's minds when they're playing AAAAAAAAA games on the handheld of the future   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Qwark said: I'm always down for more high-performance handhelds, that d-pad looks squishy as hell though. Lmao at the actor casually pulling the handheld out of his jacket pocket, those are some big pockets. Click to expand... Click to shrink... They had to one up this View:   topplehat Member Oct 27, 2017 1,083 Austin, TX These feel like a bunch of specs thrown at a wall - a screen like that will chew up battery in no time, and the hardware won't be there to back it up. This is what I really appreciated about the Steam Deck - it seemed thought out and that all the hardware was designed for a certain performance level.  Jon of the Wired Member Oct 25, 2017 397 It's good to see more products in this space, but I'm just never going to buy a PC handheld that doesn't have touchpads. It's frustrating that only Valve is making a handheld that can actually play the games I want to play.   Kline AVALANCHE Member Sep 15, 2022 524 Will come down to price of course. There's countless Windows handhelds around these days - many objectively better than the Deck, but none that can match it's price point. On that note, yes the 1080p screen is appealing for a handheld. I have a Deck, but I expressly use my Ayn Odin Lite for things like Game Pass, GFN, or even watching anime, because it can push double the pixels with ease. Then again, it's Android so it has battery for days.  Remeran Member Nov 27, 2018 4,129 Oh windows based, that mean native gamepass gaming? Hmm that might be interesting.   Pocky4Th3Win Member Oct 31, 2017 5,425 Minnesota I hope they support Steam OS as an alternative to Windows 11.   Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 Pocky4Th3Win said: I hope they support Steam OS as an alternative to Windows 11. Click to expand... Click to shrink... You could install SteamOS on it if you wanted I imagine.   DjDeathCool Member Oct 28, 2017 2,869 Bismarck, ND Koukalaka said: 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I always want 120hz on any device that is capable of streaming gameplay. Moonlight at 120hz is *chef's kiss* neoak said: I'd argue not in phones either but ¯\__/¯ Click to expand... Click to shrink... General usageon a 120hz display feels much much nicer. It's one of those things you get used to and don't realize how nice it is until it's gone. It's not about gameplay. Lol.   Ada Member Nov 28, 2017 4,164 bad ergonomics - shallow grip, menu buttons out of reach. Single USB port! rocker dpad - why copy the 360s terrible dpad dual fans plus higher refresh/resolution/brightness screen - huge battery drain Windows instead of SteamOS - no suspend + license fee DOA   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 DjDeathCool said: General usageon a 120hz display feels much much nicer. It's one of those things you get used to and don't realize how nice it is until it's gone. It's not about gameplay. Lol. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It's about battery life man. Never said it wasn't nice.   Tsunami561 Member Mar 7, 2023 5,383 This sounds like one of those other handhelds that are on paper way more powerfull than the deck but then is twice the price and the user experience sucks   toy_brain Member Nov 1, 2017 2,598 Looks interesting, and I'm always happy to see new entrants into this space, as it gives people more options. Specifically, if they are selling this in B&M retail stores, it'll open the market to people who aren't comfortable ordering a Steam Deck, or getting a Chinese/HK manufactured device of unknown quality.The resolution and refresh rates sound "ambitious", but if it's anything like the GPD I have, you'll be able to knock the refresh rate down to 40hz, and do the usual FSR resolution scaling to save on performance. I'd be surprised if a demanding game lasted more than 2 hours on a single charge though - that just seems to be the norm with the current tech, but its enough for a commute, or a long train journey if you are happy playing 2D stuff. As for it using windows, ehhh, It's the easiest way forward right now. Yes it takes a while to boot or come out of standby compared to SteamOS, and the UI kinda sucks on a small screen, but it has zero compatibility issues and allows every current launcher straight out of the box, so you get every advantage of a full PC with only a couple minor downsides. My only negative with what I've seen so far, is the size. It's only a shave smaller than the Steam Deck, which is already a chunky bugger. I'd have liked it to be more like the GPD Win 4. Oh well.  DjDeathCool Member Oct 28, 2017 2,869 Bismarck, ND neoak said: It's about battery life man. Never said it wasn't nice. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Adaptive refresh rate solves that issue and you can cap it if you don't like the energy cost. At least on mobiles, and assumedly for this device as well since you can do the same on Deck.   #rog #ally #triple #aaa #gaming
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    Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5lq4Q7YAjE The Asus ROG Ally handheld gaming PC is real, not an April Fools’ joke No fooling — but no specs or price, either. www.theverge.com The ROG Ally has a seven-inch 16:9 display with 1920 x 1080 resolution, 500 nits of brightness, and a 120HZ refresh rate, compared to the Steam Deck specs, which are listed as a seven-inch 16:10 display at 1280 x 800 resolution, 400 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I want more of these, but they need to think about adding alternative control interfaces built into the system. Maybenot a whole touch pad but maybe a nipple and some back buttons. Plus it is is ROG, you know it will cost 2 souls and a leg Dave2d Handheld View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drLZxyv79Oo  Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 Seems like it'll be pricey as hell but I do like that it has a 16:9 display, Windows with good looking dashboard for all your launchers, and how quiet it is. I just want that eGPU connector, or something similar to it, on the next Steam Deck.   nsilvias Member Oct 25, 2017 30,169 >1080p rip battery life  Dangerman1337 Member Jul 2, 2021 3,187 United Kingdom, The Wirral, Hoylake Sullivan said: Seems like it'll be pricey as hell but I do like that it has a 16:9 display, Windows with good looking dashboard for all your launchers, and how quiet it is. I just want that eGPU connector, or something similar to it, on the next Steam Deck. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point. However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense.  Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 nsilvias said: >1080p rip battery life Click to expand... Click to shrink... >1080p >120hz >500nits  OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 nsilvias said: >1080p rip battery life Click to expand... Click to shrink... 80s kids know   Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 Dangerman1337 said: Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point. However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Dave doesn't know the price point. He's just assuming because they said it would be available at Best Buy and that they don't do low volume products so ASUS expects it to sell well, which means it likely has an appealing price point. I don't know though...   jack. Member Oct 27, 2017 1,357 I'd rather have 720p and that d-pad looks like ass but otherwise, this thing seems like it could be pretty good.   OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 Dangerman1337 said: Dave2D says it's apparently very appealing price point. However my biggest question is the release date because we keep seeing these handhelds with no release dates and being kept shown at performance expos all the time. Sick and tired of that nonsense. Click to expand... Click to shrink... In the time you you typed this post 3 more models of the Aya neo has been announced   AuthenticM Son Altesse Sérénissime The Fallen Oct 25, 2017 35,186 I didn't know that ROG was an initialism. I've always pronounced it like an acronym. So I can install my GOG games on this?  Dangerman1337 Member Jul 2, 2021 3,187 United Kingdom, The Wirral, Hoylake Sullivan said: Dave doesn't know the price point. He's just assuming because they said it would be available at Best Buy and that they don't do low volume products so ASUS expects it to sell well, which means it likely has an appealing price point. I don't know though... Click to expand... Click to shrink... Asus apparently told Dave it. Slayven said: In the time you you typed this post 3 more models of the Aya neo has been announced Click to expand... Click to shrink... Heh :p.   Koukalaka Member Oct 28, 2017 10,405 Scotland 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld.   Biosnake Member Oct 25, 2017 14,335 show me more   Radogol Member Nov 9, 2017 384 So that's nine As?   OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 Koukalaka said: 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Sounds like the stats for a endurance battery tester   Dinjoralo Member Oct 25, 2017 11,729 Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass. I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld.  Busaiku Teyvat Traveler Member Oct 25, 2017 17,947 Ya, nothing matters until we know about battery and price.   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 However, in our experience, they've relied on an AMD 6800U chipset instead of a custom design and generally lack the right combination of horsepower and efficiency that we want to see from handheld gaming machines. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I swear the Verge reporter doesn't understand how crippled is the Steam Deck CPU for having 4 cores only when CPU matters a ton more in low resolutions. AMD doesn't do custom unless you are going to buy millions, but then again, it's the iVerge.  neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Koukalaka said: 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I'd argue not in phones either but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And you are right, it's hard to get more than 60fps in recent titles even on 6800U with 45W TDP  Haloid1177 Member Oct 25, 2017 4,847 Dinjoralo said: Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass. I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Armoury Crate is a mess of a software but I will give it credit that it causes me way less issues than iCUE or the Lian Li fan/RGB controller.  OP OP Slayven Never read a comic in his life Moderator Oct 25, 2017 102,422 Dinjoralo said: Windows, ick. I've used Armoury Crate enough on my PC to know that the software side of things, at least what's pre-installed on the device, is going to be ass. I don't get why everyone seems to hate the Deck having an 800p screen. That's turned out to be a lifesaver for me in some games with weird resolutions that can't scale to 720p or 1080p well, like Rainworld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... You also squeeze out a bit more performance by turning down bigger games   Biosnake Member Oct 25, 2017 14,335 Keyser S The Fallen Oct 26, 2017 8,480 Do I pronounce this like Broccoli   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Keyser S said: Do I pronounce this like Broccoli Click to expand... Click to shrink... ROG is supposed to be spelled R.O.G.   cgpartlow Member Oct 27, 2017 3,476 Seattle, WA I prefer asymmetrical sticks on my controllers, but on handhelds where the sides are vertical straight up and down, they should not be offset due to where your thumbs land. The switch cramps my hand having to contort my thumb and rotate my hand to hit the sticks. It is better with and ergonomic attachment but it is not the most convenient.   bbg_g Member Jun 21, 2020 835 Looks interesting and I might bite depending on battery life and price. I'm a bit lukewarm on the steamdeck and still waiting to see what comes next.   Neoxon Spotlighting Black Excellence - Diversity Analyst Member Oct 25, 2017 93,547 Houston, TX Does this have a gyroscope like the Deck?   Mashing Member Oct 28, 2017 3,411 Haloid1177 said: Armoury Crate is a mess of a software but I will give it credit that it causes me way less issues than iCUE or the Lian Li fan/RGB controller. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I had to disable iCUE as it kept waking up my PC from power saving. I never really used it anyway so no big loss.  neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 ROG XG Mobile eGPU? That's interesting, seeing as Oculink on the Win Max 2 allows you to have only a 10% performance penalty vs a full desktop for external using PCIe Gen4 x4. This will make it interesting. Unfortunately Destiny 2 sucks ass on anything less than 10" >.<  Atolm Member Oct 25, 2017 6,154 120hz is actually great for games like Hollow Knight or Fight N Rage   BennyWhatever Member Oct 27, 2017 5,504 US Happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be very surprised if the starter model of this is < $800. Most of these handheld Windows devices are $1k+.   Cats_Schrodinger Member Oct 29, 2017 4,050 If the 120Hz display is VRR , that's a gamechanger. Framerates lower than 60 will benefit immensely. The Deck needs this too.   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Atolm said: 120hz is actually great for games like Hollow Knight or Fight N Rage Click to expand... Click to shrink... Actually, hadn't considered that. Very valid point.   Qwark Member Oct 27, 2017 10,263 I'm always down for more high-performance handhelds, that d-pad looks squishy as hell though. Lmao at the actor casually pulling the handheld out of his jacket pocket, those are some big pockets.  AmFreak Member Oct 26, 2017 3,220 It's like all these companies that are big enough to somewhat compete saw the Deck success and then made hand held. Logitech launches a $350 cloud one, Razer launches a $400 ARM one a year after the Deck and now Asus seems to think they have to one up the Deck everywhere (power, resolution, screen, OS) and will result in pricing themselves out of the market.   Charpunk Member Oct 25, 2017 12,555 Performance and cost will be interesting. Lack of touchpads is a bummer as that has been a great feature for the deck for me.   SaberVS7 Member Oct 25, 2017 6,750 Everyone's minds when they're playing AAAAAAAAA games on the handheld of the future   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 Qwark said: I'm always down for more high-performance handhelds, that d-pad looks squishy as hell though. Lmao at the actor casually pulling the handheld out of his jacket pocket, those are some big pockets. Click to expand... Click to shrink... They had to one up this View: https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1636605890429337600   topplehat Member Oct 27, 2017 1,083 Austin, TX These feel like a bunch of specs thrown at a wall - a screen like that will chew up battery in no time, and the hardware won't be there to back it up. This is what I really appreciated about the Steam Deck - it seemed thought out and that all the hardware was designed for a certain performance level.  Jon of the Wired Member Oct 25, 2017 397 It's good to see more products in this space, but I'm just never going to buy a PC handheld that doesn't have touchpads. It's frustrating that only Valve is making a handheld that can actually play the games I want to play.   Kline AVALANCHE Member Sep 15, 2022 524 Will come down to price of course. There's countless Windows handhelds around these days - many objectively better than the Deck, but none that can match it's price point. On that note, yes the 1080p screen is appealing for a handheld. I have a Deck, but I expressly use my Ayn Odin Lite for things like Game Pass, GFN, or even watching anime, because it can push double the pixels with ease. Then again, it's Android so it has battery for days.  Remeran Member Nov 27, 2018 4,129 Oh windows based, that mean native gamepass gaming? Hmm that might be interesting.   Pocky4Th3Win Member Oct 31, 2017 5,425 Minnesota I hope they support Steam OS as an alternative to Windows 11.   Deleted member 93062 Account closed at user request Banned Mar 4, 2021 24,767 Pocky4Th3Win said: I hope they support Steam OS as an alternative to Windows 11. Click to expand... Click to shrink... You could install SteamOS on it if you wanted I imagine.   DjDeathCool Member Oct 28, 2017 2,869 Bismarck, ND Koukalaka said: 1080p and 120Hz just don't make sense on a gaming-focused handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I always want 120hz on any device that is capable of streaming gameplay. Moonlight at 120hz is *chef's kiss* neoak said: I'd argue not in phones either but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Click to expand... Click to shrink... General usage (scrolling) on a 120hz display feels much much nicer. It's one of those things you get used to and don't realize how nice it is until it's gone. It's not about gameplay. Lol.   Ada Member Nov 28, 2017 4,164 bad ergonomics - shallow grip, menu buttons out of reach. Single USB port! rocker dpad - why copy the 360s terrible dpad dual fans plus higher refresh/resolution/brightness screen - huge battery drain Windows instead of SteamOS - no suspend + license fee DOA   neoak Member Oct 25, 2017 16,877 DjDeathCool said: General usage (scrolling) on a 120hz display feels much much nicer. It's one of those things you get used to and don't realize how nice it is until it's gone. It's not about gameplay. Lol. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It's about battery life man. Never said it wasn't nice.   Tsunami561 Member Mar 7, 2023 5,383 This sounds like one of those other handhelds that are on paper way more powerfull than the deck but then is twice the price and the user experience sucks   toy_brain Member Nov 1, 2017 2,598 Looks interesting, and I'm always happy to see new entrants into this space, as it gives people more options. Specifically, if they are selling this in B&M retail stores, it'll open the market to people who aren't comfortable ordering a Steam Deck (for whatever reason), or getting a Chinese/HK manufactured device of unknown quality. (I have a GPD device and think its awesome) The resolution and refresh rates sound "ambitious", but if it's anything like the GPD I have, you'll be able to knock the refresh rate down to 40hz, and do the usual FSR resolution scaling to save on performance. I'd be surprised if a demanding game lasted more than 2 hours on a single charge though - that just seems to be the norm with the current tech, but its enough for a commute, or a long train journey if you are happy playing 2D stuff. As for it using windows, ehhh, It's the easiest way forward right now. Yes it takes a while to boot or come out of standby compared to SteamOS, and the UI kinda sucks on a small screen, but it has zero compatibility issues and allows every current launcher straight out of the box, so you get every advantage of a full PC with only a couple minor downsides. My only negative with what I've seen so far, is the size. It's only a shave smaller than the Steam Deck, which is already a chunky bugger. I'd have liked it to be more like the GPD Win 4. Oh well.  DjDeathCool Member Oct 28, 2017 2,869 Bismarck, ND neoak said: It's about battery life man. Never said it wasn't nice. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Adaptive refresh rate solves that issue and you can cap it if you don't like the energy cost. At least on mobiles, and assumedly for this device as well since you can do the same on Deck.  
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  • The RTX 5080-Powered Thunderobot Radiant 16 Gaming Laptop Now Has An Even Lower Starting Price To Drive Those Record-High Framerates, Starting From $2,299.99 On Amazon For The Base Configuration

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    The RTX 5080-Powered Thunderobot Radiant 16 Gaming Laptop Now Has An Even Lower Starting Price To Drive Those Record-High Framerates, Starting From On Amazon For The Base Configuration

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    May 24, 2025 at 12:41am EDT

    The last time we introduced the Thunderobot Radiant 16 gaming laptop equipped with NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5080 GPU, it was already the most affordable portable powerhouse listed on Amazon with this graphics processor. Now, there is excellent news for those wanting to immerse themselves in AAA gaming without having to keep a gaming PC in one place, because the Thunderobot Radiant 16 is the most affordable RTX 5080-powered machine available on Amazon with an additional price drop.
    When we previously discussed this offer, the cheapest configuration was going for but at the same time, it offered more storage and RAM. However, if you want to save up money with the option of upgrading these parts later, a base version of the Radiant 16 is up for grabs for and it comes with 16GB of DDR5 RAM and a 512GB SSD. No other alternative is available at this price, and with our immediate recommendation is that you pick it up as quickly as you can because this is the first time that RTX 5080 gaming laptops are available at a ‘not so insane’ price, and there is no telling when this figure will jump.

    With the myriad amounts of discounts offered on RAM and storage upgrades, the Thunderobot Radiant 16 offers incredible specifications as a whole package. As the name suggests, it sports a 16-inch IPS LCD with a QHD resolution and supports up to a 300Hz refresh rate. Perhaps the only drawback you will encounter with this gaming laptop is that it has an older Intel Core i9-14900HX CPU. Fortunately, it is a solid performer thanks to its 24-core configuration, allowing you to tackle multi-threaded workloads like there is no tomorrow.
    A multitude of ports are also present, ranging from three USB-A ports, one USB-C input, an HDMI port, Ethernet, and an audio-combo jack. If you want to ignore the presence of the older Core i9-14900HX processor and focus on the raw performance, the Thunderobot Radiant 16’s price is pretty much unmatched when comparing other RTX 5080-powered laptops. However, is still a decent chunk of change, so it might take a lot of convincing for you to pick up one of these.
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    The RTX 5080-Powered Thunderobot Radiant 16 Gaming Laptop Now Has An Even Lower Starting Price To Drive Those Record-High Framerates, Starting From $2,299.99 On Amazon For The Base Configuration
    Menu Home News Hardware Gaming Mobile Finance Deals Reviews How To Wccftech Deals The RTX 5080-Powered Thunderobot Radiant 16 Gaming Laptop Now Has An Even Lower Starting Price To Drive Those Record-High Framerates, Starting From On Amazon For The Base Configuration Omar Sohail • May 24, 2025 at 12:41am EDT The last time we introduced the Thunderobot Radiant 16 gaming laptop equipped with NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5080 GPU, it was already the most affordable portable powerhouse listed on Amazon with this graphics processor. Now, there is excellent news for those wanting to immerse themselves in AAA gaming without having to keep a gaming PC in one place, because the Thunderobot Radiant 16 is the most affordable RTX 5080-powered machine available on Amazon with an additional price drop. When we previously discussed this offer, the cheapest configuration was going for but at the same time, it offered more storage and RAM. However, if you want to save up money with the option of upgrading these parts later, a base version of the Radiant 16 is up for grabs for and it comes with 16GB of DDR5 RAM and a 512GB SSD. No other alternative is available at this price, and with our immediate recommendation is that you pick it up as quickly as you can because this is the first time that RTX 5080 gaming laptops are available at a ‘not so insane’ price, and there is no telling when this figure will jump. With the myriad amounts of discounts offered on RAM and storage upgrades, the Thunderobot Radiant 16 offers incredible specifications as a whole package. As the name suggests, it sports a 16-inch IPS LCD with a QHD resolution and supports up to a 300Hz refresh rate. Perhaps the only drawback you will encounter with this gaming laptop is that it has an older Intel Core i9-14900HX CPU. Fortunately, it is a solid performer thanks to its 24-core configuration, allowing you to tackle multi-threaded workloads like there is no tomorrow. A multitude of ports are also present, ranging from three USB-A ports, one USB-C input, an HDMI port, Ethernet, and an audio-combo jack. If you want to ignore the presence of the older Core i9-14900HX processor and focus on the raw performance, the Thunderobot Radiant 16’s price is pretty much unmatched when comparing other RTX 5080-powered laptops. However, is still a decent chunk of change, so it might take a lot of convincing for you to pick up one of these. Get the Thunderobot Radiant 16 with 16GB RAM, 512GB storage from Amazon - See the latest technology deals that Amazon has discounted today See what else Amazon has discounted today Deal of the Day Subscribe to get an everyday digest of the latest technology news in your inbox Follow us on Topics Sections Company Some posts on wccftech.com may contain affiliate links. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com © 2025 WCCF TECH INC. 700 - 401 West Georgia Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada #rtx #5080powered #thunderobot #radiant #gaming
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    Menu Home News Hardware Gaming Mobile Finance Deals Reviews How To Wccftech Deals The RTX 5080-Powered Thunderobot Radiant 16 Gaming Laptop Now Has An Even Lower Starting Price To Drive Those Record-High Framerates, Starting From $2,299.99 On Amazon For The Base Configuration Omar Sohail • May 24, 2025 at 12:41am EDT The last time we introduced the Thunderobot Radiant 16 gaming laptop equipped with NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5080 GPU, it was already the most affordable portable powerhouse listed on Amazon with this graphics processor. Now, there is excellent news for those wanting to immerse themselves in AAA gaming without having to keep a gaming PC in one place, because the Thunderobot Radiant 16 is the most affordable RTX 5080-powered machine available on Amazon with an additional price drop. When we previously discussed this offer, the cheapest configuration was going for $2449.99, but at the same time, it offered more storage and RAM. However, if you want to save up money with the option of upgrading these parts later, a base version of the Radiant 16 is up for grabs for $2,299.99, and it comes with 16GB of DDR5 RAM and a 512GB SSD. No other alternative is available at this price, and with our immediate recommendation is that you pick it up as quickly as you can because this is the first time that RTX 5080 gaming laptops are available at a ‘not so insane’ price, and there is no telling when this figure will jump. With the myriad amounts of discounts offered on RAM and storage upgrades, the Thunderobot Radiant 16 offers incredible specifications as a whole package. As the name suggests, it sports a 16-inch IPS LCD with a QHD resolution and supports up to a 300Hz refresh rate. Perhaps the only drawback you will encounter with this gaming laptop is that it has an older Intel Core i9-14900HX CPU. Fortunately, it is a solid performer thanks to its 24-core configuration, allowing you to tackle multi-threaded workloads like there is no tomorrow. A multitude of ports are also present, ranging from three USB-A ports, one USB-C input, an HDMI port, Ethernet, and an audio-combo jack. If you want to ignore the presence of the older Core i9-14900HX processor and focus on the raw performance, the Thunderobot Radiant 16’s price is pretty much unmatched when comparing other RTX 5080-powered laptops. However, $2,299.99 is still a decent chunk of change, so it might take a lot of convincing for you to pick up one of these. Get the Thunderobot Radiant 16 with 16GB RAM, 512GB storage from Amazon - $2,299.99 See the latest technology deals that Amazon has discounted today See what else Amazon has discounted today Deal of the Day Subscribe to get an everyday digest of the latest technology news in your inbox Follow us on Topics Sections Company Some posts on wccftech.com may contain affiliate links. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com © 2025 WCCF TECH INC. 700 - 401 West Georgia Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada
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  • Save Up to $300 Off the Powerful Alienware Area-51 Gaming Laptops for Memorial Day

    Alienware's new flagship gaming laptop - the Alienware Area-51 - was released earlier this year. It replaces the m-series laptop and bring to the table a host of upgrades including a sleeker redesign, current generation components, and better cooling potential. As part of the Dell Memorial Day Sale, several variants of both the Alienware 16 Area-51 and Alienware 18 Area-51 gaming laptops are on sale for the first time. They're all equipped with the latest Nvidia Blackwell GPUs, including the RTX 5070 Ti, RTX 5080, and RTX 5090. Orders are expected to ship out in mid June.Featured in this articleNew ReleaseAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 Ti Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopMemorial Day Alienware 18 Area-51 DealsThe Alienware 18 Area-51 is a large laptop that serves more as a mobile desktop replacement than commuter's laptop that you tote around to work or class on a daily basis. It weighs nearly 10 pounds and measures 0.95 inches at its thinnest point. It also consumes a lot of power, which means you should keep it plugged into an outlet when you're using it. The larger form factor carries several advantages, like an expansive 18" display, a full-sized keyboard with discrete numpad and a bigger, more aggressive cooling system and can keep noise levels to a minimum, and space to accomodate an RJ45 ethernet port.Two models are currently on sale for Memorial Day. The model is equipped with RTX 5080 mobile graphics and 32GB of memory. The model is upgraded with RTX 5090 mobile graphics and 64GB of memory.New ReleaseAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopMemorial Day Alienware 16 Area-51 DealsThe Alienware 16 might not be as imposing as the Alienware 18, but this is still a premium gaming laptop through and through with an emphasis on maximum power and cooling. It weighs in at 7.5 pounds and measures 0.85" thick at its thinnest point. Like the Alienware 18, it comes with a 360W power brick, and you're recommended to keep it plugged into an outlet when you're using it. Because of the smaller footprint, the Alienware 16 houses a 16" display, standard sized laptop keyboard, and no ethernet jack. However, it can still be equipped with the same internal specs, like an Intel Core Ultra 9 HX processor and up to an Nvida RTX 5090 GPU, since it also boasts a rugged cooling system that can handle the hottest of components.Four models are currently on sale for Memorial Day. The model is equipped with RTX 5070 Ti mobile graphics. The model and model are equipped with an RTX 5080. The model goes all out with an RTX 5090.Alienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 Ti Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopThis CPU / GPU Combo Excels in Any GameThe Area-51 laptop is also equipped with a very powerful CPU as well. The Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX boasts a max turbo frequency of 5.4GHz with a whopping 24 cores and 40MB total L2 cache. According to Passmark, this is one of the fastest mobile processors on the market, going head to head with the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D.According to Notebookcheck, the RTX 5070 Ti mobile GPU is "the true successor to the RTX 4070", with performance on par with the RTX 4080. The RTX 5070, unfortunately, lags far behind, with performance on par with the RTX 4070. It should run any game comfortable on the display's native 1920x1200 resolution.According to Tom's Hardware, the RTX 5080 mobile GPU is roughly 15%-20% more powerful than the RTX 4080 mobile GPU that it replaces. It also happens to be about 5% more powerful than the RTX 4090, which was the previous generation's flagship card. The RTX 5080 appears to be a better value than the much pricier RTX 5090 as well. It only lags by about 15% despite being nearly cheaper. Since the Alienware Area-51 uses a QHD+instead of 4K display, this GPU should be able to run new and upcoming games at high framerates, quadruply so if DLSS 4 is supported.The Area-51: New Style, More Power, Better CoolingNew for 2025, the Alienware Area-51 gaming laptop features a magnesium alloy chassis with upgraded cooling to tackle the latest and greatest heat generating components. This includes more fans and bigger cutouts enabling greater airflow, more generous use of copper, and a new thermal interface material to better transfer heat away from the core components. Dell claims that the laptop can handle a higher power ceiling of up to 240W TDP without raising acoustics.Design-wise, the Area 51 accentuates its smooth contours, with rounded edges and soft corners replacing the squared off design you'd see in most other laptops. The hinges are also mostly internally positioned so that they're near invisible. As befits an Alienware laptop, there are ample customization options for RGB LED lighting. Connectivity-wise, you get three USB Type-A 3.2 15Gbps ports, two Thunderbolt / USB Type-C ports, an HDMI 2.1 port, and a card reader. The 16" model weighs in at 7.5 pounds and the 18" model weighs 9.6 pounds.More Alienware Memorial Day Gaming Laptop DealsNew for 2025Alienware Aurora 16 Intel Core Ultra 9 270H RTX 5070Gaming Laptopat AlienwareNew for 2025Alienware Aurora 16X Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070Gaming Laptopat AlienwareAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 7 155H RTX 4060 Gaming LaptopAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 9 185H RTX 4070 Gaming LaptopAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 9 185H RTX 4090 Gaming LaptopWhy Should You Trust IGN's Deals Team?IGN's deals team has a combined 30+ years of experience finding the best discounts in gaming, tech, and just about every other category. We don't try to trick our readers into buying things they don't need at prices that aren't worth buying something at. Our ultimate goal is to surface the best possible deals from brands we trust and our editorial team has personal experience with. You can check out our deals standards here for more information on our process, or keep up with the latest deals we find on IGN's Deals account on Twitter.Eric Song is the IGN commerce manager in charge of finding the best gaming and tech deals every day. When Eric isn't hunting for deals for other people at work, he's hunting for deals for himself during his free time.
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    Save Up to $300 Off the Powerful Alienware Area-51 Gaming Laptops for Memorial Day
    Alienware's new flagship gaming laptop - the Alienware Area-51 - was released earlier this year. It replaces the m-series laptop and bring to the table a host of upgrades including a sleeker redesign, current generation components, and better cooling potential. As part of the Dell Memorial Day Sale, several variants of both the Alienware 16 Area-51 and Alienware 18 Area-51 gaming laptops are on sale for the first time. They're all equipped with the latest Nvidia Blackwell GPUs, including the RTX 5070 Ti, RTX 5080, and RTX 5090. Orders are expected to ship out in mid June.Featured in this articleNew ReleaseAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 Ti Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopMemorial Day Alienware 18 Area-51 DealsThe Alienware 18 Area-51 is a large laptop that serves more as a mobile desktop replacement than commuter's laptop that you tote around to work or class on a daily basis. It weighs nearly 10 pounds and measures 0.95 inches at its thinnest point. It also consumes a lot of power, which means you should keep it plugged into an outlet when you're using it. The larger form factor carries several advantages, like an expansive 18" display, a full-sized keyboard with discrete numpad and a bigger, more aggressive cooling system and can keep noise levels to a minimum, and space to accomodate an RJ45 ethernet port.Two models are currently on sale for Memorial Day. The model is equipped with RTX 5080 mobile graphics and 32GB of memory. The model is upgraded with RTX 5090 mobile graphics and 64GB of memory.New ReleaseAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopMemorial Day Alienware 16 Area-51 DealsThe Alienware 16 might not be as imposing as the Alienware 18, but this is still a premium gaming laptop through and through with an emphasis on maximum power and cooling. It weighs in at 7.5 pounds and measures 0.85" thick at its thinnest point. Like the Alienware 18, it comes with a 360W power brick, and you're recommended to keep it plugged into an outlet when you're using it. Because of the smaller footprint, the Alienware 16 houses a 16" display, standard sized laptop keyboard, and no ethernet jack. However, it can still be equipped with the same internal specs, like an Intel Core Ultra 9 HX processor and up to an Nvida RTX 5090 GPU, since it also boasts a rugged cooling system that can handle the hottest of components.Four models are currently on sale for Memorial Day. The model is equipped with RTX 5070 Ti mobile graphics. The model and model are equipped with an RTX 5080. The model goes all out with an RTX 5090.Alienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 Ti Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopNew ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming LaptopAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming LaptopThis CPU / GPU Combo Excels in Any GameThe Area-51 laptop is also equipped with a very powerful CPU as well. The Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX boasts a max turbo frequency of 5.4GHz with a whopping 24 cores and 40MB total L2 cache. According to Passmark, this is one of the fastest mobile processors on the market, going head to head with the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D.According to Notebookcheck, the RTX 5070 Ti mobile GPU is "the true successor to the RTX 4070", with performance on par with the RTX 4080. The RTX 5070, unfortunately, lags far behind, with performance on par with the RTX 4070. It should run any game comfortable on the display's native 1920x1200 resolution.According to Tom's Hardware, the RTX 5080 mobile GPU is roughly 15%-20% more powerful than the RTX 4080 mobile GPU that it replaces. It also happens to be about 5% more powerful than the RTX 4090, which was the previous generation's flagship card. The RTX 5080 appears to be a better value than the much pricier RTX 5090 as well. It only lags by about 15% despite being nearly cheaper. Since the Alienware Area-51 uses a QHD+instead of 4K display, this GPU should be able to run new and upcoming games at high framerates, quadruply so if DLSS 4 is supported.The Area-51: New Style, More Power, Better CoolingNew for 2025, the Alienware Area-51 gaming laptop features a magnesium alloy chassis with upgraded cooling to tackle the latest and greatest heat generating components. This includes more fans and bigger cutouts enabling greater airflow, more generous use of copper, and a new thermal interface material to better transfer heat away from the core components. Dell claims that the laptop can handle a higher power ceiling of up to 240W TDP without raising acoustics.Design-wise, the Area 51 accentuates its smooth contours, with rounded edges and soft corners replacing the squared off design you'd see in most other laptops. The hinges are also mostly internally positioned so that they're near invisible. As befits an Alienware laptop, there are ample customization options for RGB LED lighting. Connectivity-wise, you get three USB Type-A 3.2 15Gbps ports, two Thunderbolt / USB Type-C ports, an HDMI 2.1 port, and a card reader. The 16" model weighs in at 7.5 pounds and the 18" model weighs 9.6 pounds.More Alienware Memorial Day Gaming Laptop DealsNew for 2025Alienware Aurora 16 Intel Core Ultra 9 270H RTX 5070Gaming Laptopat AlienwareNew for 2025Alienware Aurora 16X Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070Gaming Laptopat AlienwareAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 7 155H RTX 4060 Gaming LaptopAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 9 185H RTX 4070 Gaming LaptopAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 9 185H RTX 4090 Gaming LaptopWhy Should You Trust IGN's Deals Team?IGN's deals team has a combined 30+ years of experience finding the best discounts in gaming, tech, and just about every other category. We don't try to trick our readers into buying things they don't need at prices that aren't worth buying something at. Our ultimate goal is to surface the best possible deals from brands we trust and our editorial team has personal experience with. You can check out our deals standards here for more information on our process, or keep up with the latest deals we find on IGN's Deals account on Twitter.Eric Song is the IGN commerce manager in charge of finding the best gaming and tech deals every day. When Eric isn't hunting for deals for other people at work, he's hunting for deals for himself during his free time. #save #off #powerful #alienware #area51
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    Save Up to $300 Off the Powerful Alienware Area-51 Gaming Laptops for Memorial Day
    Alienware's new flagship gaming laptop - the Alienware Area-51 - was released earlier this year. It replaces the m-series laptop and bring to the table a host of upgrades including a sleeker redesign, current generation components, and better cooling potential. As part of the Dell Memorial Day Sale, several variants of both the Alienware 16 Area-51 and Alienware 18 Area-51 gaming laptops are on sale for the first time. They're all equipped with the latest Nvidia Blackwell GPUs, including the RTX 5070 Ti, RTX 5080, and RTX 5090. Orders are expected to ship out in mid June.Featured in this articleNew ReleaseAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming Laptop (32GB/2TB)Alienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming Laptop (64GB/2TB)Alienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 Ti Gaming Laptop (32GB/2TB)New ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming Laptop (32GB/1TB)New ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming Laptop (64GB/2TB)Alienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming Laptop (64GB/2TB)Memorial Day Alienware 18 Area-51 DealsThe Alienware 18 Area-51 is a large laptop that serves more as a mobile desktop replacement than commuter's laptop that you tote around to work or class on a daily basis. It weighs nearly 10 pounds and measures 0.95 inches at its thinnest point. It also consumes a lot of power (a 360W power brick is included), which means you should keep it plugged into an outlet when you're using it. The larger form factor carries several advantages, like an expansive 18" display, a full-sized keyboard with discrete numpad and a bigger, more aggressive cooling system and can keep noise levels to a minimum, and space to accomodate an RJ45 ethernet port.Two models are currently on sale for Memorial Day. The $3,150 model is equipped with RTX 5080 mobile graphics and 32GB of memory. The $3,750 model is upgraded with RTX 5090 mobile graphics and 64GB of memory.New ReleaseAlienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming Laptop (32GB/2TB)Alienware 18 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming Laptop (64GB/2TB)Memorial Day Alienware 16 Area-51 DealsThe Alienware 16 might not be as imposing as the Alienware 18, but this is still a premium gaming laptop through and through with an emphasis on maximum power and cooling. It weighs in at 7.5 pounds and measures 0.85" thick at its thinnest point. Like the Alienware 18, it comes with a 360W power brick, and you're recommended to keep it plugged into an outlet when you're using it. Because of the smaller footprint, the Alienware 16 houses a 16" display, standard sized laptop keyboard (meaning no discrete numpad), and no ethernet jack. However, it can still be equipped with the same internal specs, like an Intel Core Ultra 9 HX processor and up to an Nvida RTX 5090 GPU, since it also boasts a rugged cooling system that can handle the hottest of components.Four models are currently on sale for Memorial Day. The $2,850 model is equipped with RTX 5070 Ti mobile graphics. The $2999.99 model and $3,150 model are equipped with an RTX 5080. The $3,650 model goes all out with an RTX 5090.Alienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 Ti Gaming Laptop (32GB/2TB)New ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming Laptop (32GB/1TB)New ReleaseAlienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5080 Gaming Laptop (64GB/2TB)Alienware 16 Area-51 Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5090 Gaming Laptop (64GB/2TB)This CPU / GPU Combo Excels in Any GameThe Area-51 laptop is also equipped with a very powerful CPU as well. The Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX boasts a max turbo frequency of 5.4GHz with a whopping 24 cores and 40MB total L2 cache. According to Passmark, this is one of the fastest mobile processors on the market, going head to head with the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D.According to Notebookcheck, the RTX 5070 Ti mobile GPU is "the true successor to the RTX 4070", with performance on par with the RTX 4080. The RTX 5070, unfortunately, lags far behind, with performance on par with the RTX 4070. It should run any game comfortable on the display's native 1920x1200 resolution.According to Tom's Hardware, the RTX 5080 mobile GPU is roughly 15%-20% more powerful than the RTX 4080 mobile GPU that it replaces. It also happens to be about 5% more powerful than the RTX 4090, which was the previous generation's flagship card. The RTX 5080 appears to be a better value than the much pricier RTX 5090 as well. It only lags by about 15% despite being nearly $1,000 cheaper. Since the Alienware Area-51 uses a QHD+ (2560x1600) instead of 4K display, this GPU should be able to run new and upcoming games at high framerates, quadruply so if DLSS 4 is supported.The Area-51: New Style, More Power, Better CoolingNew for 2025, the Alienware Area-51 gaming laptop features a magnesium alloy chassis with upgraded cooling to tackle the latest and greatest heat generating components. This includes more fans and bigger cutouts enabling greater airflow, more generous use of copper, and a new thermal interface material to better transfer heat away from the core components. Dell claims that the laptop can handle a higher power ceiling of up to 240W TDP without raising acoustics.Design-wise, the Area 51 accentuates its smooth contours, with rounded edges and soft corners replacing the squared off design you'd see in most other laptops. The hinges are also mostly internally positioned so that they're near invisible. As befits an Alienware laptop, there are ample customization options for RGB LED lighting. Connectivity-wise, you get three USB Type-A 3.2 15Gbps ports (one with PowerShare), two Thunderbolt / USB Type-C ports, an HDMI 2.1 port, and a card reader. The 16" model weighs in at 7.5 pounds and the 18" model weighs 9.6 pounds.More Alienware Memorial Day Gaming Laptop DealsNew for 2025Alienware Aurora 16 Intel Core Ultra 9 270H RTX 5070 (85W) Gaming Laptop (16GB/1TB)$1,949.99 at AlienwareNew for 2025Alienware Aurora 16X Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX RTX 5070 (115W) Gaming Laptop (32GB/2TB)$2,299.99 at AlienwareAlienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 7 155H RTX 4060 Gaming Laptop (16GB/1TB)Alienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 9 185H RTX 4070 Gaming Laptop (32GB/1TB)Alienware x16 R2 16" Intel Core Ultra 9 185H RTX 4090 Gaming Laptop (32GB/2TB)Why Should You Trust IGN's Deals Team?IGN's deals team has a combined 30+ years of experience finding the best discounts in gaming, tech, and just about every other category. We don't try to trick our readers into buying things they don't need at prices that aren't worth buying something at. Our ultimate goal is to surface the best possible deals from brands we trust and our editorial team has personal experience with. You can check out our deals standards here for more information on our process, or keep up with the latest deals we find on IGN's Deals account on Twitter.Eric Song is the IGN commerce manager in charge of finding the best gaming and tech deals every day. When Eric isn't hunting for deals for other people at work, he's hunting for deals for himself during his free time.
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  • Huge Dell Memorial Day Deals: Save Hundreds on Laptops and Desktops

    Since 1984, Dell has been dominating the prebuilt PC and accessory market by making hardware that keeps up with modern needs at reasonable prices. Its desktops and laptops are consistently good value and review well when we put them through our benchmarking process in the PC Labs. If you're in the market for a new machine, Dell has launched its Memorial Day sale. Here are six of the top offers we've found, with more to come.Dell Laptop DealsInsiprons are Dell's reliable midrange performers, and the 16 on sale right now is well worth your attention if you want a bigger screen in a nice-looking chassis. With a FHD+ touch-enabled display, it works great for streaming media, lightweight creative tasks, business and more. If you do a lot of videoconferencing, the 1080p 30 fps webcam is better than you'd expect from a budget machine, and there are plenty of ports.The Dell Inspiron 16 Laptop is also available for Another midrange productivity laptop from Dell, the XPS 14 does enough well to be worth your attention at a price drop. We reviewed this model, noting that it had one of the better touchpads we'd seen on Dell portables, coupled with a LED-illuminated function row that made it a solid choice for spreadsheeters and other heavy keyboard users. The component loadout is good for the price, with 16GB of RAM making multi-tasking smooth and stable. The battery is also massive, adding to its weight but making it a worthwhile option for long trips and other scenarios where you won't have access to a power plug.Dell Gaming Laptop DealsIt's a spendy one but, for all-around performance, the Alienware x16 R2 is a tough gaming portable to beat. That's especially true when it's kitted out with an RTX 4090 graphics card. In our review, we praised the incredible amount of tech in this slim machine, including the gorgeous QHD+ 240Hz display, which is capable of keeping up with the blistering framerate that GPU can pump out. The rest of the silicon is no slouch, with a speedy Core Ultra 9 processor coupled with 32GB of system memory. Customizable RGB keys, touchpad, and chassis lighting adds an extra touch of style, and slicing off makes it tempting.Recommended by Our EditorsFor a more affordable gaming on the go option, Dell's G15 is a solid choice, especially at off retail during their Memorial Day sale. We reviewed this laptop, and although its component loadout didn't dazzle, praised its 120Hz display and fun color options. It feels solid in the hands, weighing in at a little over six pounds, and the keyboard and trackpad both have good responsiveness, along with orange LED backlights for the keys. As you'd expect from a gaming machine, it has plenty of ports for your peripherals as well.Dell Desktop DealsDell's enterprise-oriented towers aren't visually striking, but there's a reason you can find them in homes and offices around the world. They combine solid performance with well-built components at a nice price, and are flexible enough to fill a bunch of different roles. The Slim desktop is designed for minimal footprint while not compromising power, and this configuration ships with a capable Intel Core Ultra 5 processor along with 16GB of RAM. It multitasks well, has plenty of ports, and ships with a keyboard and mouse.If you need a new gaming machine to get you through the lean years ahead, we're quite fond of the Alienware Aurora R16. In our review, we gave it an Editors' Choice award, with tester Charles Jefferies saying that the redesigned tower "marks a new chapter for the Alienware brand" thanks to its whisper-quiet operation, capacious and easily modified case and multiple connectivity options. Dell has a bunch of different configurations on sale during the Memorial Day event, but this is a nice midrange choice with a generous 32GB of RAM paired with a RTX 4060 graphics card.We’re finding Memorial Day Deals everywhere, from retailers like Amazon and Walmart to top brands like Apple and HP. And don’t forget to check out all of the Memorial Day Deals Under and Under  But, if you’re looking for something more specific, we’ve rounded up the following holiday deals for you:
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    Huge Dell Memorial Day Deals: Save Hundreds on Laptops and Desktops
    Since 1984, Dell has been dominating the prebuilt PC and accessory market by making hardware that keeps up with modern needs at reasonable prices. Its desktops and laptops are consistently good value and review well when we put them through our benchmarking process in the PC Labs. If you're in the market for a new machine, Dell has launched its Memorial Day sale. Here are six of the top offers we've found, with more to come.Dell Laptop DealsInsiprons are Dell's reliable midrange performers, and the 16 on sale right now is well worth your attention if you want a bigger screen in a nice-looking chassis. With a FHD+ touch-enabled display, it works great for streaming media, lightweight creative tasks, business and more. If you do a lot of videoconferencing, the 1080p 30 fps webcam is better than you'd expect from a budget machine, and there are plenty of ports.The Dell Inspiron 16 Laptop is also available for Another midrange productivity laptop from Dell, the XPS 14 does enough well to be worth your attention at a price drop. We reviewed this model, noting that it had one of the better touchpads we'd seen on Dell portables, coupled with a LED-illuminated function row that made it a solid choice for spreadsheeters and other heavy keyboard users. The component loadout is good for the price, with 16GB of RAM making multi-tasking smooth and stable. The battery is also massive, adding to its weight but making it a worthwhile option for long trips and other scenarios where you won't have access to a power plug.Dell Gaming Laptop DealsIt's a spendy one but, for all-around performance, the Alienware x16 R2 is a tough gaming portable to beat. That's especially true when it's kitted out with an RTX 4090 graphics card. In our review, we praised the incredible amount of tech in this slim machine, including the gorgeous QHD+ 240Hz display, which is capable of keeping up with the blistering framerate that GPU can pump out. The rest of the silicon is no slouch, with a speedy Core Ultra 9 processor coupled with 32GB of system memory. Customizable RGB keys, touchpad, and chassis lighting adds an extra touch of style, and slicing off makes it tempting.Recommended by Our EditorsFor a more affordable gaming on the go option, Dell's G15 is a solid choice, especially at off retail during their Memorial Day sale. We reviewed this laptop, and although its component loadout didn't dazzle, praised its 120Hz display and fun color options. It feels solid in the hands, weighing in at a little over six pounds, and the keyboard and trackpad both have good responsiveness, along with orange LED backlights for the keys. As you'd expect from a gaming machine, it has plenty of ports for your peripherals as well.Dell Desktop DealsDell's enterprise-oriented towers aren't visually striking, but there's a reason you can find them in homes and offices around the world. They combine solid performance with well-built components at a nice price, and are flexible enough to fill a bunch of different roles. The Slim desktop is designed for minimal footprint while not compromising power, and this configuration ships with a capable Intel Core Ultra 5 processor along with 16GB of RAM. It multitasks well, has plenty of ports, and ships with a keyboard and mouse.If you need a new gaming machine to get you through the lean years ahead, we're quite fond of the Alienware Aurora R16. In our review, we gave it an Editors' Choice award, with tester Charles Jefferies saying that the redesigned tower "marks a new chapter for the Alienware brand" thanks to its whisper-quiet operation, capacious and easily modified case and multiple connectivity options. Dell has a bunch of different configurations on sale during the Memorial Day event, but this is a nice midrange choice with a generous 32GB of RAM paired with a RTX 4060 graphics card.We’re finding Memorial Day Deals everywhere, from retailers like Amazon and Walmart to top brands like Apple and HP. And don’t forget to check out all of the Memorial Day Deals Under and Under  But, if you’re looking for something more specific, we’ve rounded up the following holiday deals for you: #huge #dell #memorial #day #deals
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    Huge Dell Memorial Day Deals: Save Hundreds on Laptops and Desktops
    Since 1984, Dell has been dominating the prebuilt PC and accessory market by making hardware that keeps up with modern needs at reasonable prices. Its desktops and laptops are consistently good value and review well when we put them through our benchmarking process in the PC Labs. If you're in the market for a new machine, Dell has launched its Memorial Day sale. Here are six of the top offers we've found, with more to come.Dell Laptop DealsInsiprons are Dell's reliable midrange performers, and the 16 on sale right now is well worth your attention if you want a bigger screen in a nice-looking chassis. With a FHD+ touch-enabled display, it works great for streaming media, lightweight creative tasks, business and more. If you do a lot of videoconferencing, the 1080p 30 fps webcam is better than you'd expect from a budget machine, and there are plenty of ports.The Dell Inspiron 16 Laptop is also available at Amazon for $789Another midrange productivity laptop from Dell, the XPS 14 does enough well to be worth your attention at a $400 price drop. We reviewed this model, noting that it had one of the better touchpads we'd seen on Dell portables, coupled with a LED-illuminated function row that made it a solid choice for spreadsheeters and other heavy keyboard users. The component loadout is good for the price, with 16GB of RAM making multi-tasking smooth and stable. The battery is also massive, adding to its weight but making it a worthwhile option for long trips and other scenarios where you won't have access to a power plug.Dell Gaming Laptop DealsIt's a spendy one but, for all-around performance, the Alienware x16 R2 is a tough gaming portable to beat. That's especially true when it's kitted out with an RTX 4090 graphics card. In our review, we praised the incredible amount of tech in this slim machine, including the gorgeous QHD+ 240Hz display, which is capable of keeping up with the blistering framerate that GPU can pump out. The rest of the silicon is no slouch, with a speedy Core Ultra 9 processor coupled with 32GB of system memory. Customizable RGB keys, touchpad, and chassis lighting adds an extra touch of style, and slicing $900 off makes it tempting.Recommended by Our EditorsFor a more affordable gaming on the go option, Dell's G15 is a solid choice, especially at $300 off retail during their Memorial Day sale. We reviewed this laptop, and although its component loadout didn't dazzle, praised its 120Hz display and fun color options. It feels solid in the hands, weighing in at a little over six pounds, and the keyboard and trackpad both have good responsiveness, along with orange LED backlights for the keys. As you'd expect from a gaming machine, it has plenty of ports for your peripherals as well.Dell Desktop DealsDell's enterprise-oriented towers aren't visually striking, but there's a reason you can find them in homes and offices around the world. They combine solid performance with well-built components at a nice price, and are flexible enough to fill a bunch of different roles. The Slim desktop is designed for minimal footprint while not compromising power, and this configuration ships with a capable Intel Core Ultra 5 processor along with 16GB of RAM. It multitasks well, has plenty of ports, and ships with a keyboard and mouse.If you need a new gaming machine to get you through the lean years ahead, we're quite fond of the Alienware Aurora R16. In our review, we gave it an Editors' Choice award, with tester Charles Jefferies saying that the redesigned tower "marks a new chapter for the Alienware brand" thanks to its whisper-quiet operation, capacious and easily modified case and multiple connectivity options. Dell has a bunch of different configurations on sale during the Memorial Day event, but this is a nice midrange choice with a generous 32GB of RAM paired with a RTX 4060 graphics card.We’re finding Memorial Day Deals everywhere, from retailers like Amazon and Walmart to top brands like Apple and HP. And don’t forget to check out all of the Memorial Day Deals Under $100 and Under $50. But, if you’re looking for something more specific, we’ve rounded up the following holiday deals for you:
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  • Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon Review Thread

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    About This GameDeveloper: Questline
    Publisher: Awaken Realms
    Genre: RPG / Action / Open World
    Platforms: PC, PS5, XBS
    Price: /43,99€Release Date: May 23rd, 2025
    Game Length: 50-70 hours

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    What makes The Fall of Avalon worth playing isn't just its reverence for classic RPGs, but how it reinterprets their ideas through a much darker lens. Questline's take on Arthurian myth is an intense and mature narrative, pulling players through a crumbling world where every choice feels like it might be the wrong one. There are lessons here, but more than anything, there's a story that feels like it was made for players who still crave consequence, immersion, and discovery in their RPGs. And while it might stumble in execution at times, it rarely loses sight of what it's trying to be.

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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is an adventure to behold, especially for those who are fans of Oblivion and Skyrim. With endless build variety, a beautiful dark fantasy world, an interesting story, and satisfying combat that feels weighty, this game is a great choice for RPG enthusiasts. While the game can feel like it's still in early access in some ways, specifically with its enemy AI, outdated character models, and a world that can feel too empty in parts, none of these issues take away from what makes Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon so special. It's a project where passion is on full display and I can't wait to see what Questline does next.

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    Tainted Grail: The Fall Of Avalon - Flawed In The StoneTainted Grail: The Fall of AvalonReleased: May 23rd, 2025Developer: Awaken Realms, QuestlinePublisher: Awaken RealmsSystems: PC, PS5, Xbox Series Copy provided by publisherJohn Carpenter’s The Thing is one of my favorite movies, not least for the fascinating concept behind its titular...

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    Perhaps it will be given the same grace. It's got less of a budget but a lot more heart than its "AAA" templates. It seems to be rooted in the archaic out of genuine love for the style as opposed to rote complacency, which counts for something. Given the size of the game relative to the size of the developer, it deserves to be called ambitious. As a result, I'm far more inclined toward leniency than I have been elsewhere. Plus, y'know, I had fun with it.

    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is doing its little best, and if Skyrim is a hallmark of roleplaying quality, then Tainted Grail's best has to be good enough.
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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon | Recensione

    Ci siamo tuffati nelle leggende arturiane con la versione 1.0 di Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon: nella recensione vi raccontiamo com'è andata.

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    If it is true that Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon does not shine in its technical sector and is a bit of a set of successful ideas sewn in a new way, it is also true that succeeding in this operation was anything but trivial. The developers have never hidden theirsources of inspiration, and have thus created a love letter for open-world role-playing games, declined in a successful and engaging dark fantasy atmosphere - capable of stealing the hearts of lovers of the genre and, why not, of approaching new ones. It took some time in early access to get to this result, but it was certainly worth it.

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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon | Recensione | The Games Machine

    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon è un RPG open world con combattimenti intensi, progressione libera e riscrittura cruda del mito di Re Artù.

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    The developers of Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon call it a love letter to open-world RPGs as if the game were just a tribute to the cornerstones of the genre such as Skyrim or Oblivion, when in reality we are faced with a production with great personality, spectacular from an artistic point of view and with a plot intricate enough to glue us to the monitor for a long time. The gameplay does not aim to revolutionize the genre, but offers everything you could want from a modern RPG, reinterpreting the story of King Arthur in a dark key full of exciting combat.

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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review in Progress - IGN

    So far this is a fun but familiar open-world RPG that reimagines Arthurian myth.

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    Otherwise, a lot of the 5 hours I've played of Fall of Avalon so far has been spent exploring, accidentally picking up smut, talking to people, and so on. This is a pick up everything, speak to everybody, the world exists to be your playground kind of game, and if you've played The Elder Scrolls, you'll probably be right at home

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    there's a story that feels like it was made for players who still crave consequence, immersion, and discovery in their RPGs.

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    That's encouraging. I enjoyed the demo and already planned on checking this out at some point. I just don't have it in me to start another lengthy RPG.
     

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    Good reviews. Just wondering about performance on console really. I assume I should go PS5 pro over Series X, but also there's a bunch of visual sliders for quality - would be nice to have an idea of how stable it is in the bigger world.
     

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    This game's a ton of fun. I have a review in the works but I can say that if you have an Elder Scrolls itch, this game does a GREAT job scratching it.
     

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    Decent reviews, the demo convinced me well enough to get to it one day.
     

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    I've been looking forward to this but I think I'll give them some patch time as post Early Access areas sound prone to broken side quests and such.

    Plus I'm still working my way through Oblivion + Clair Obscur, so it's probably not the best idea to bring a 60+ hour game into the mix. 

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    do we know how much this is on console yet?
     

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    Between the combat, enemy design, story, and draw to explore one more area, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon has been a great early game experience. I do have two concerns that I will explore more in the final review. Something about the gameplay is missing polish in specific aspects; I can't quite put my finger on it yet. I don't know if it's just some of the timings for combat or a combination of minor things. Also, while the character skills look quite varied, I don't know how much depth they actually have or how engaging specializing in a particular weapon or magic will be.

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    Pretty swell reviews! The board game is an all timer.
     

    Buckle
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    Niosai said:

    This game's a ton of fun. I have a review in the works but I can say that if you have an Elder Scrolls itch, this game does a GREAT job scratching it.

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    Is magic as fun to use as it was in Skyrim? I had a blast going double barreled flame throwers and necromancy.

    Thats all I need to know. 

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    Damn, I didn't know about this game. I will try and get this.
     

    Gavalanche
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    The reviews kind of remind me of Drova, which was my GOTY last year.

    This game feels right up my alley!! Too much shit to play but I will grab it anyway.

    Great year for RPG's. 

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    enjoyed my time with it in early access awhile back. it undoubtedly felt early access though so i didn't invest too much time in it

    would like to fire it up but on the heels of Oblivion I'll probably burn out. maybe in a month or three 

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    So is this a faithful adaptation of the board game or a game inspired by it's story/world?
     

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    Guys if you really love these types of games, pick this up. Incredible game. There is jank but it doesn't get in the way of the fun.
     

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    character creator?
     

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    Yes, you create a custom character with their own backgrounds at the beginning. It's not very complex but it's there.

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    Miracle Ache
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    Enjoyed the demo so it's nice to see the game reviewing well.
     

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    where the fuck did this game come from

    why are there so many games ;'.
     

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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review – A Broken Masterpiece?

    When Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon first entered the conversation, it looked like just another attempt to ride Skyrim’s coattails. But beneath its rough edges lies a game that delivers a uniquely intense and atmospheric experience. It doesn’t pretend to be triple-A, nor does it need to. From...

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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is not polished to perfection. Animations falter, systems sometimes clash, and bugs are part of the ride. But what it lacks in refinement, it makes up for in heart. This is a rare open-world RPG where discovery feels meaningful, combat feels dangerous, and the world itself tells a story through its decay.

    It's a rough gem—one that clearly comes from a smaller team with big ideas. If you can accept its quirks, you'll find something genuinely memorable beneath the jank. And for under it delivers more than many full-priced RPGs released this year.
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    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review - GamersRD.com

    Aquellos jugadores que como yo, les gusta la fórmula The Elder Scrolls, o lo que es lo mismo, RPG de mundo abierto, tendrán en Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon un buen candidato. Es un título basado en un juego de mesa, desarrollado por el estudio con sede en Polonia, Awaken Realms, en el quegamersrd.com

    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is a title heavily inspired by the open worlds of The Elder Scrolls. It doesn't intend to reinvent the formula, but its setting inspired by the Arthurian legend and its freedom to build the character to our liking give it its own identity. The game shines more for its atmosphere, narrative and classic role-playing mechanics than for its graphic innovation, as some technical and visual aspects betray its modest origins. The leisurely progression, challenging combat and free exploration are its calling card, and it does not disappoint. It's not without its flaws, but these don't overshadow a rewarding experience for fans looking for something similar to TES/Fallout. If you're willing to forgive certain graphical limitations and a slower pace, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon offers a dark, deep, and immersive journey.

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    Análisis Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, el ambicioso sucesor espiritual de Oblivion creado por un equipo independiente

    Análisis y opinión de Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, un juego que rinde homenaje a clásicos como Skyrim con una aventura de proporciones épicas.

    www.hobbyconsolas.com

    In many fantasy RPGs, the story is a backdrop, a mere formality that serves to start the game. This is not the case with Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, which articulates its plot with the suggestive universe created by Awaken Realms in its original board game.

    The "Indie Oblivion" is everything we can hope for, and even more. With nearly 100 hours of content, a variety of activities, a versatile combat system, and superb freedom, The Fall of Avalon is a must-have in the genre of RPGs in the style of The Elder Scrolls.
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    Reviews are great, really seems like the main issue was the bugs, but the actual game is really well done and content rich and a must play for Elder Scrolls fans.
     

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    So is this a faithful adaptation of the board game or a game inspired by it's story/world?

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    It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews. 

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    It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the previous game before this was Tainted Grail: Conquest in 2021 which was a Rogue-lite Deckbuilder that came out into Early Access 1 year after the board game released. This seems to be a follow up in some kind to that game? A google search indicates the creator of the board game did work with the studio on these, or at least on Conquest. 

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    LifeInTheFactory said:

    It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews.

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    Here's some bits from the hobbyconsolas review. Seems like a retelling of the same story with its own twist or some sort.

    If you're a fan of tabletop role-playing, you'll have recognized the history. It is the same plot as the board game created by Marcin Świerkot and Krzysztof Piskorski; in fact, much of the art of it, and even some cinematics, are extracted from that title.

    In many fantasy RPGs, the story is a backdrop, a mere formality that serves to start the game. This is not the case with Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, which articulates its plot with the suggestive universe created by Awaken Realms in its original board game.
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    I really enjoy the vibes in the board game. Once I get some time I'll check this out.
     

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    When does this release? Anyone got a timesheet for release hours?
     

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    Good reviews. Just wondering about performance on console really. I assume I should go PS5 pro over Series X, but also there's a bunch of visual sliders for quality - would be nice to have an idea of how stable it is in the bigger world.

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    I haven't checked if they already have the planned updates out on consoles in the last few days, but in the original review copy state on both PS5 Pro and Series X the framerate had huge drops once you reach the first open world area and curiously especially in the first city- really hope they can get that fixed as anyone who is somewhat sesitive to unstable framerates likely wouldn't much enjoy that. 

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    When does this release? Anyone got a timesheet for release hours?

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    Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon Review Thread
    texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia About This GameDeveloper: Questline Publisher: Awaken Realms Genre: RPG / Action / Open World Platforms: PC, PS5, XBS Price: /43,99€Release Date: May 23rd, 2025 Game Length: 50-70 hours 10/10 / What makes The Fall of Avalon worth playing isn't just its reverence for classic RPGs, but how it reinterprets their ideas through a much darker lens. Questline's take on Arthurian myth is an intense and mature narrative, pulling players through a crumbling world where every choice feels like it might be the wrong one. There are lessons here, but more than anything, there's a story that feels like it was made for players who still crave consequence, immersion, and discovery in their RPGs. And while it might stumble in execution at times, it rarely loses sight of what it's trying to be. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8/10 / Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is an adventure to behold, especially for those who are fans of Oblivion and Skyrim. With endless build variety, a beautiful dark fantasy world, an interesting story, and satisfying combat that feels weighty, this game is a great choice for RPG enthusiasts. While the game can feel like it's still in early access in some ways, specifically with its enemy AI, outdated character models, and a world that can feel too empty in parts, none of these issues take away from what makes Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon so special. It's a project where passion is on full display and I can't wait to see what Questline does next. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 7/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall Of Avalon - Flawed In The StoneTainted Grail: The Fall of AvalonReleased: May 23rd, 2025Developer: Awaken Realms, QuestlinePublisher: Awaken RealmsSystems: PC, PS5, Xbox Series Copy provided by publisherJohn Carpenter’s The Thing is one of my favorite movies, not least for the fascinating concept behind its titular... www.thejimquisition.com Perhaps it will be given the same grace. It's got less of a budget but a lot more heart than its "AAA" templates. It seems to be rooted in the archaic out of genuine love for the style as opposed to rote complacency, which counts for something. Given the size of the game relative to the size of the developer, it deserves to be called ambitious. As a result, I'm far more inclined toward leniency than I have been elsewhere. Plus, y'know, I had fun with it. Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is doing its little best, and if Skyrim is a hallmark of roleplaying quality, then Tainted Grail's best has to be good enough. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8.5/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon | Recensione Ci siamo tuffati nelle leggende arturiane con la versione 1.0 di Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon: nella recensione vi raccontiamo com'è andata. www.spaziogames.it If it is true that Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon does not shine in its technical sector and is a bit of a set of successful ideas sewn in a new way, it is also true that succeeding in this operation was anything but trivial. The developers have never hidden theirsources of inspiration, and have thus created a love letter for open-world role-playing games, declined in a successful and engaging dark fantasy atmosphere - capable of stealing the hearts of lovers of the genre and, why not, of approaching new ones. It took some time in early access to get to this result, but it was certainly worth it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8.5/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon | Recensione | The Games Machine Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon è un RPG open world con combattimenti intensi, progressione libera e riscrittura cruda del mito di Re Artù. www.thegamesmachine.it The developers of Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon call it a love letter to open-world RPGs as if the game were just a tribute to the cornerstones of the genre such as Skyrim or Oblivion, when in reality we are faced with a production with great personality, spectacular from an artistic point of view and with a plot intricate enough to glue us to the monitor for a long time. The gameplay does not aim to revolutionize the genre, but offers everything you could want from a modern RPG, reinterpreting the story of King Arthur in a dark key full of exciting combat. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review in Progress - IGN So far this is a fun but familiar open-world RPG that reimagines Arthurian myth. www.ign.com Otherwise, a lot of the 5 hours I've played of Fall of Avalon so far has been spent exploring, accidentally picking up smut, talking to people, and so on. This is a pick up everything, speak to everybody, the world exists to be your playground kind of game, and if you've played The Elder Scrolls, you'll probably be right at home Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8/10 View: View: View: View: I will add more when posted.  Last edited: 16 minutes ago MacheteSquadSteve Member Jan 6, 2025 285 there's a story that feels like it was made for players who still crave consequence, immersion, and discovery in their RPGs. Click to expand... Click to shrink... That's encouraging. I enjoyed the demo and already planned on checking this out at some point. I just don't have it in me to start another lengthy RPG.   TripleBee Prophet of Truth Member Oct 30, 2017 7,510 Canada Good reviews. Just wondering about performance on console really. I assume I should go PS5 pro over Series X, but also there's a bunch of visual sliders for quality - would be nice to have an idea of how stable it is in the bigger world.   Niosai One Winged Slayer Member Oct 28, 2017 5,235 This game's a ton of fun. I have a review in the works but I can say that if you have an Elder Scrolls itch, this game does a GREAT job scratching it.   ClayModel Member Oct 29, 2017 2,241 Decent reviews, the demo convinced me well enough to get to it one day.   Nameless Member Oct 25, 2017 17,262 I've been looking forward to this but I think I'll give them some patch time as post Early Access areas sound prone to broken side quests and such. Plus I'm still working my way through Oblivion + Clair Obscur, so it's probably not the best idea to bring a 60+ hour game into the mix.  Rhaknar Member Oct 26, 2017 51,799 do we know how much this is on console yet?   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia Review in progress. Between the combat, enemy design, story, and draw to explore one more area, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon has been a great early game experience. I do have two concerns that I will explore more in the final review. Something about the gameplay is missing polish in specific aspects; I can't quite put my finger on it yet. I don't know if it's just some of the timings for combat or a combination of minor things. Also, while the character skills look quite varied, I don't know how much depth they actually have or how engaging specializing in a particular weapon or magic will be. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   chainlinkspiral Member Oct 25, 2017 12,502 Pretty swell reviews! The board game is an all timer.   Buckle Member Oct 27, 2017 44,645 Niosai said: This game's a ton of fun. I have a review in the works but I can say that if you have an Elder Scrolls itch, this game does a GREAT job scratching it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Is magic as fun to use as it was in Skyrim? I had a blast going double barreled flame throwers and necromancy. Thats all I need to know.  Oliver James Avenger Oct 25, 2017 9,832 Damn, I didn't know about this game. I will try and get this.   Gavalanche Prophet of Regret Member Oct 21, 2021 25,954 The reviews kind of remind me of Drova, which was my GOTY last year. This game feels right up my alley!! Too much shit to play but I will grab it anyway. Great year for RPG's.  skeezx Member Oct 27, 2017 23,777 enjoyed my time with it in early access awhile back. it undoubtedly felt early access though so i didn't invest too much time in it would like to fire it up but on the heels of Oblivion I'll probably burn out. maybe in a month or three  OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia BassForever One Winged Slayer Member Oct 25, 2017 31,634 CT So is this a faithful adaptation of the board game or a game inspired by it's story/world?   FF Seraphim Member Oct 26, 2017 16,599 Tokyo Guys if you really love these types of games, pick this up. Incredible game. There is jank but it doesn't get in the way of the fun.   wasylycia Member Jan 11, 2024 65 character creator?   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia wasylycia said: character creator? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes, you create a custom character with their own backgrounds at the beginning. It's not very complex but it's there. View:   Miracle Ache Member Oct 25, 2017 1,590 Enjoyed the demo so it's nice to see the game reviewing well.   carlsojo Shinra Employee Member Oct 28, 2017 37,589 San Francisco where the fuck did this game come from why are there so many games ;'.   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review – A Broken Masterpiece? When Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon first entered the conversation, it looked like just another attempt to ride Skyrim’s coattails. But beneath its rough edges lies a game that delivers a uniquely intense and atmospheric experience. It doesn’t pretend to be triple-A, nor does it need to. From... www.gamer.org Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is not polished to perfection. Animations falter, systems sometimes clash, and bugs are part of the ride. But what it lacks in refinement, it makes up for in heart. This is a rare open-world RPG where discovery feels meaningful, combat feels dangerous, and the world itself tells a story through its decay. It's a rough gem—one that clearly comes from a smaller team with big ideas. If you can accept its quirks, you'll find something genuinely memorable beneath the jank. And for under it delivers more than many full-priced RPGs released this year. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 7.8/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review - GamersRD.com Aquellos jugadores que como yo, les gusta la fórmula The Elder Scrolls, o lo que es lo mismo, RPG de mundo abierto, tendrán en Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon un buen candidato. Es un título basado en un juego de mesa, desarrollado por el estudio con sede en Polonia, Awaken Realms, en el quegamersrd.com Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is a title heavily inspired by the open worlds of The Elder Scrolls. It doesn't intend to reinvent the formula, but its setting inspired by the Arthurian legend and its freedom to build the character to our liking give it its own identity. The game shines more for its atmosphere, narrative and classic role-playing mechanics than for its graphic innovation, as some technical and visual aspects betray its modest origins. The leisurely progression, challenging combat and free exploration are its calling card, and it does not disappoint. It's not without its flaws, but these don't overshadow a rewarding experience for fans looking for something similar to TES/Fallout. If you're willing to forgive certain graphical limitations and a slower pace, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon offers a dark, deep, and immersive journey. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8.2/10 Análisis Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, el ambicioso sucesor espiritual de Oblivion creado por un equipo independiente Análisis y opinión de Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, un juego que rinde homenaje a clásicos como Skyrim con una aventura de proporciones épicas. www.hobbyconsolas.com In many fantasy RPGs, the story is a backdrop, a mere formality that serves to start the game. This is not the case with Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, which articulates its plot with the suggestive universe created by Awaken Realms in its original board game. The "Indie Oblivion" is everything we can hope for, and even more. With nearly 100 hours of content, a variety of activities, a versatile combat system, and superb freedom, The Fall of Avalon is a must-have in the genre of RPGs in the style of The Elder Scrolls. Click to expand... Click to shrink... View:   ProdigyZA Member Jun 9, 2024 1,523 Reviews are great, really seems like the main issue was the bugs, but the actual game is really well done and content rich and a must play for Elder Scrolls fans.   LifeInTheFactory Member Jun 3, 2018 591 London BassForever said: So is this a faithful adaptation of the board game or a game inspired by it's story/world? Click to expand... Click to shrink... It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews.  Kalentan Member Oct 25, 2017 50,673 LifeInTheFactory said: It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the previous game before this was Tainted Grail: Conquest in 2021 which was a Rogue-lite Deckbuilder that came out into Early Access 1 year after the board game released. This seems to be a follow up in some kind to that game? A google search indicates the creator of the board game did work with the studio on these, or at least on Conquest.  OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia LifeInTheFactory said: It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Here's some bits from the hobbyconsolas review. Seems like a retelling of the same story with its own twist or some sort. If you're a fan of tabletop role-playing, you'll have recognized the history. It is the same plot as the board game created by Marcin Świerkot and Krzysztof Piskorski; in fact, much of the art of it, and even some cinematics, are extracted from that title. In many fantasy RPGs, the story is a backdrop, a mere formality that serves to start the game. This is not the case with Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, which articulates its plot with the suggestive universe created by Awaken Realms in its original board game. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Euler Member Oct 27, 2017 5,824 I really enjoy the vibes in the board game. Once I get some time I'll check this out.   Risev "This guy are sick" Member Oct 27, 2017 3,906 When does this release? Anyone got a timesheet for release hours?   weblaus Member Oct 27, 2017 1,062 TripleBee said: Good reviews. Just wondering about performance on console really. I assume I should go PS5 pro over Series X, but also there's a bunch of visual sliders for quality - would be nice to have an idea of how stable it is in the bigger world. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I haven't checked if they already have the planned updates out on consoles in the last few days, but in the original review copy state on both PS5 Pro and Series X the framerate had huge drops once you reach the first open world area and curiously especially in the first city- really hope they can get that fixed as anyone who is somewhat sesitive to unstable framerates likely wouldn't much enjoy that.  Ganepark32 Member Nov 21, 2021 2,688 Risev said: When does this release? Anyone got a timesheet for release hours? Click to expand... Click to shrink... I believe it's releasing at 9am PST/12pm EST/5pm BST/6pm CEST. 8 hours, 11 minutes  #tainted #grail #fall #avalon #review
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    texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia About This GameDeveloper: Questline Publisher: Awaken Realms Genre: RPG / Action / Open World Platforms: PC (Steam), PS5, XBS Price: $44.99/43,99€ (Pricing varies by region and platform.) Release Date: May 23rd, 2025 Game Length: 50-70 hours 10/10 https://gamerant.com/tainted-grail-fall-of-avalon-review/ What makes The Fall of Avalon worth playing isn't just its reverence for classic RPGs, but how it reinterprets their ideas through a much darker lens. Questline's take on Arthurian myth is an intense and mature narrative, pulling players through a crumbling world where every choice feels like it might be the wrong one. There are lessons here, but more than anything, there's a story that feels like it was made for players who still crave consequence, immersion, and discovery in their RPGs. And while it might stumble in execution at times, it rarely loses sight of what it's trying to be. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8/10 https://www.dualshockers.com/tainted-grail-the-fall-of-avalon-review/ Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is an adventure to behold, especially for those who are fans of Oblivion and Skyrim. With endless build variety, a beautiful dark fantasy world, an interesting story, and satisfying combat that feels weighty, this game is a great choice for RPG enthusiasts. While the game can feel like it's still in early access in some ways, specifically with its enemy AI, outdated character models, and a world that can feel too empty in parts, none of these issues take away from what makes Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon so special. It's a project where passion is on full display and I can't wait to see what Questline does next. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 7/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall Of Avalon - Flawed In The Stone (Review) Tainted Grail: The Fall of AvalonReleased: May 23rd, 2025Developer: Awaken Realms, QuestlinePublisher: Awaken RealmsSystems: PC, PS5 (reviewed), Xbox Series Copy provided by publisherJohn Carpenter’s The Thing is one of my favorite movies, not least for the fascinating concept behind its titular... www.thejimquisition.com Perhaps it will be given the same grace (some early reviews have been quite positive). It's got less of a budget but a lot more heart than its "AAA" templates. It seems to be rooted in the archaic out of genuine love for the style as opposed to rote complacency, which counts for something. Given the size of the game relative to the size of the developer, it deserves to be called ambitious. As a result, I'm far more inclined toward leniency than I have been elsewhere. Plus, y'know, I had fun with it. Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is doing its little best, and if Skyrim is a hallmark of roleplaying quality, then Tainted Grail's best has to be good enough. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8.5/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon | Recensione Ci siamo tuffati nelle leggende arturiane con la versione 1.0 di Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon: nella recensione vi raccontiamo com'è andata. www.spaziogames.it If it is true that Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon does not shine in its technical sector and is a bit of a set of successful ideas sewn in a new way, it is also true that succeeding in this operation was anything but trivial. The developers have never hidden their (illustrious) sources of inspiration, and have thus created a love letter for open-world role-playing games, declined in a successful and engaging dark fantasy atmosphere - capable of stealing the hearts of lovers of the genre and, why not, of approaching new ones. It took some time in early access to get to this result, but it was certainly worth it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8.5/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon | Recensione | The Games Machine Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon è un RPG open world con combattimenti intensi, progressione libera e riscrittura cruda del mito di Re Artù. www.thegamesmachine.it The developers of Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon call it a love letter to open-world RPGs as if the game were just a tribute to the cornerstones of the genre such as Skyrim or Oblivion, when in reality we are faced with a production with great personality, spectacular from an artistic point of view and with a plot intricate enough to glue us to the monitor for a long time. The gameplay does not aim to revolutionize the genre, but offers everything you could want from a modern RPG, reinterpreting the story of King Arthur in a dark key full of exciting combat. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review in Progress - IGN So far this is a fun but familiar open-world RPG that reimagines Arthurian myth. www.ign.com Otherwise, a lot of the 5 hours I've played of Fall of Avalon so far has been spent exploring, accidentally picking up smut, talking to people, and so on. This is a pick up everything, speak to everybody, the world exists to be your playground kind of game, and if you've played The Elder Scrolls, you'll probably be right at home Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8/10 View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03nU7pRdgY View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpoOeihKoZo View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeASWY7m05I View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ViWUExbDY I will add more when posted.  Last edited: 16 minutes ago MacheteSquadSteve Member Jan 6, 2025 285 there's a story that feels like it was made for players who still crave consequence, immersion, and discovery in their RPGs. Click to expand... Click to shrink... That's encouraging. I enjoyed the demo and already planned on checking this out at some point. I just don't have it in me to start another lengthy RPG.   TripleBee Prophet of Truth Member Oct 30, 2017 7,510 Canada Good reviews. Just wondering about performance on console really. I assume I should go PS5 pro over Series X, but also there's a bunch of visual sliders for quality - would be nice to have an idea of how stable it is in the bigger world.   Niosai One Winged Slayer Member Oct 28, 2017 5,235 This game's a ton of fun. I have a review in the works but I can say that if you have an Elder Scrolls itch, this game does a GREAT job scratching it.   ClayModel Member Oct 29, 2017 2,241 Decent reviews, the demo convinced me well enough to get to it one day.   Nameless Member Oct 25, 2017 17,262 I've been looking forward to this but I think I'll give them some patch time as post Early Access areas sound prone to broken side quests and such. Plus I'm still working my way through Oblivion + Clair Obscur, so it's probably not the best idea to bring a 60+ hour game into the mix.  Rhaknar Member Oct 26, 2017 51,799 do we know how much this is on console yet?   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia Review in progress. https://www.mmorpg.com/previews/the-rpg-files-tainted-grail-the-fall-of-avalon-review-in-progress-2000135010?amp=true Between the combat, enemy design, story, and draw to explore one more area, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon has been a great early game experience. I do have two concerns that I will explore more in the final review. Something about the gameplay is missing polish in specific aspects; I can't quite put my finger on it yet. I don't know if it's just some of the timings for combat or a combination of minor things. Also, while the character skills look quite varied, I don't know how much depth they actually have or how engaging specializing in a particular weapon or magic will be. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   chainlinkspiral Member Oct 25, 2017 12,502 Pretty swell reviews! The board game is an all timer.   Buckle Member Oct 27, 2017 44,645 Niosai said: This game's a ton of fun. I have a review in the works but I can say that if you have an Elder Scrolls itch, this game does a GREAT job scratching it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Is magic as fun to use as it was in Skyrim? I had a blast going double barreled flame throwers and necromancy. Thats all I need to know.  Oliver James Avenger Oct 25, 2017 9,832 Damn, I didn't know about this game. I will try and get this.   Gavalanche Prophet of Regret Member Oct 21, 2021 25,954 The reviews kind of remind me of Drova, which was my GOTY last year. This game feels right up my alley!! Too much shit to play but I will grab it anyway. Great year for RPG's.  skeezx Member Oct 27, 2017 23,777 enjoyed my time with it in early access awhile back. it undoubtedly felt early access though so i didn't invest too much time in it would like to fire it up but on the heels of Oblivion I'll probably burn out. maybe in a month or three  OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia BassForever One Winged Slayer Member Oct 25, 2017 31,634 CT So is this a faithful adaptation of the board game or a game inspired by it's story/world?   FF Seraphim Member Oct 26, 2017 16,599 Tokyo Guys if you really love these types of games(oblivion, etc), pick this up. Incredible game. There is jank but it doesn't get in the way of the fun.   wasylycia Member Jan 11, 2024 65 character creator?   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia wasylycia said: character creator? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes, you create a custom character with their own backgrounds at the beginning. It's not very complex but it's there. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEXo62eR0Q   Miracle Ache Member Oct 25, 2017 1,590 Enjoyed the demo so it's nice to see the game reviewing well.   carlsojo Shinra Employee Member Oct 28, 2017 37,589 San Francisco where the fuck did this game come from why are there so many games ;'(  Cyanity Member Oct 25, 2017 10,061 What is in the water this year??? I can't play all these games!!!   dreamfall Member Oct 25, 2017 7,366 I need it badly! I can not wait for the 1.0 release, it's going to be so good!   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia https://screenrant.com/tainted-grail-the-fall-of-avalon-review-in-progress/ For those who love dungeon-diving and grow weary of the cut-and-paste approach in these types of games, worry not, as all the interiors here have a noticeable maker's mark. The massive legacy dungeons like Sagremor's Keep are ostentatious centerpiece adventures, but even the many smaller caves and outposts bear their own quirks, surprises, and unique characters. Playing a massive open-world RPG that values its players' time investment is gratifying. I never roll my eyes at a cliché in Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon because it so frequently subverts them outright, nor do I ever fret over some daft resource-gathering distraction or unnecessary spot of padding. Even 40 hours in, it's been primarily killer over filler, so let's see what's yet to come in its endgame. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 7.5/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon – Análise – Vale a Pena – Review Desenvolvido pela Awaken Realms, um estúdio polonês conhecido pelo trabalho com jogos de tabuleiro, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon é uma adaptação criticalhits.com.br Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is an open-world RPG inspired by Arthurian legends and influenced by games like The Elder Scrolls, bringing an engaging and original narrative. Despite the dated graphics and significant technical issues, such as frequent FPS drops and serious bugs at launch, the game stands out for immersive exploration, full of secrets and intriguing locations. With a well-constructed dark atmosphere and deep mechanics, it's a rewarding experience for fans of the genre who are willing to overlook these initial technical limitations. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 7.2/10 Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon Review | A Worthy Alternative|Game8 2025.05.22 Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon is a new indie open-world RPG where you explore Avalon and shape its future in this dark reimagination. Read our review to see what it did well, what it didn't do well, and if it's worth buying. game8.co Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon is an RPG to look out for. For $44.99, it's a steal for how much content there is in the game. The devs have spent the time and effort to make it as good as it is now, which is evident in the quality and quantity of the first two acts. However, it may take a bit more time for the third act to be polished, as the first two acts were available in early access and were tested for a longer time. Nevertheless, it's a game that we recommend if you're looking for an alternative to play besides Skyrim, Avowed, and Oblivion, as this game is a clear competitor in the same genre. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Last edited: Today at 12:12 AM wasylycia Member Jan 11, 2024 65 texhnolyze said: Yes, you create a custom character with their own backgrounds at the beginning. It's not very complex but it's there. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEXo62eR0Q Click to expand... Click to shrink... appreciate it! this is the most "what is this game" to "i want this day 1" feeling ive had in a long time lol. anyone able to get this on ps5 yet/know the release time? just seeing the demo  Elfgore Member Mar 2, 2020 5,221 Damn, those reviews are pretty solid. Looking forward to it!   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia wasylycia said: appreciate it! this is the most "what is this game" to "i want this day 1" feeling ive had in a long time lol. anyone able to get this on ps5 yet/know the release time? just seeing the demo Click to expand... Click to shrink... I think it will release at the same time everywhere, later today at 5pm CET.   Gavalanche Prophet of Regret Member Oct 21, 2021 25,954 This is where my boycott of xbox is paying off! I was really really wanting to play Oblivion, so now a weirder maybe more janky version has come out and I am not burnt out on Oblivion? Perfect.   SpellSwordFoxx Member Feb 27, 2025 446 yup, reviews convinced me. gonna jump in as a spellsword, as usual. maybe also try unarmed for the fun.  Puffins Member Nov 1, 2024 325 This sounds great. Liking the comparison to Elder Scrolls - did not expect that at all.   Yam's Member Oct 27, 2017 4,583 It seems like it may be worth waiting for a bit to give them time to polish it more, and maybe add a bit more content to the last area (even if the game is already quite long).   OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review – A Broken Masterpiece? When Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon first entered the conversation, it looked like just another attempt to ride Skyrim’s coattails. But beneath its rough edges lies a game that delivers a uniquely intense and atmospheric experience. It doesn’t pretend to be triple-A, nor does it need to. From... www.gamer.org Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is not polished to perfection. Animations falter, systems sometimes clash, and bugs are part of the ride. But what it lacks in refinement, it makes up for in heart. This is a rare open-world RPG where discovery feels meaningful, combat feels dangerous, and the world itself tells a story through its decay. It's a rough gem—one that clearly comes from a smaller team with big ideas. If you can accept its quirks, you'll find something genuinely memorable beneath the jank. And for under $50, it delivers more than many full-priced RPGs released this year. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 7.8/10 Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Review - GamersRD.com Aquellos jugadores que como yo, les gusta la fórmula The Elder Scrolls, o lo que es lo mismo, RPG de mundo abierto, tendrán en Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon un buen candidato. Es un título basado en un juego de mesa, desarrollado por el estudio con sede en Polonia, Awaken Realms, en el que […] gamersrd.com Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is a title heavily inspired by the open worlds of The Elder Scrolls. It doesn't intend to reinvent the formula, but its setting inspired by the Arthurian legend and its freedom to build the character to our liking give it its own identity. The game shines more for its atmosphere, narrative and classic role-playing mechanics than for its graphic innovation, as some technical and visual aspects betray its modest origins. The leisurely progression, challenging combat and free exploration are its calling card, and it does not disappoint. It's not without its flaws, but these don't overshadow a rewarding experience for fans looking for something similar to TES/Fallout. If you're willing to forgive certain graphical limitations and a slower pace, Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon offers a dark, deep, and immersive journey. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 8.2/10 Análisis Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, el ambicioso sucesor espiritual de Oblivion creado por un equipo independiente Análisis y opinión de Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, un juego que rinde homenaje a clásicos como Skyrim con una aventura de proporciones épicas. www.hobbyconsolas.com In many fantasy RPGs, the story is a backdrop, a mere formality that serves to start the game. This is not the case with Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, which articulates its plot with the suggestive universe created by Awaken Realms in its original board game. The "Indie Oblivion" is everything we can hope for, and even more. With nearly 100 hours of content, a variety of activities, a versatile combat system, and superb freedom, The Fall of Avalon is a must-have in the genre of RPGs in the style of The Elder Scrolls. Click to expand... Click to shrink... View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ViWUExbDY   ProdigyZA Member Jun 9, 2024 1,523 Reviews are great, really seems like the main issue was the bugs, but the actual game is really well done and content rich and a must play for Elder Scrolls fans.   LifeInTheFactory Member Jun 3, 2018 591 London BassForever said: So is this a faithful adaptation of the board game or a game inspired by it's story/world? Click to expand... Click to shrink... It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews.  Kalentan Member Oct 25, 2017 50,673 LifeInTheFactory said: It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the previous game before this was Tainted Grail: Conquest in 2021 which was a Rogue-lite Deckbuilder that came out into Early Access 1 year after the board game released. This seems to be a follow up in some kind to that game? A google search indicates the creator of the board game did work with the studio on these, or at least on Conquest.  OP OP texhnolyze Shinra Employee Member Oct 25, 2017 26,475 Indonesia LifeInTheFactory said: It's a first person RPG similar to Elder Scrolls, so it's not an adaption of the board game. But I'm a little puzzled as well. Is there any review out that talks about how this exactly relates to the board game, aside from name and scenario? I haven't read all of them, but couldn't find anything about it by skimming through a few reviews. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Here's some bits from the hobbyconsolas review. Seems like a retelling of the same story with its own twist or some sort. If you're a fan of tabletop role-playing, you'll have recognized the history. It is the same plot as the board game created by Marcin Świerkot and Krzysztof Piskorski; in fact, much of the art of it, and even some cinematics, are extracted from that title. In many fantasy RPGs, the story is a backdrop, a mere formality that serves to start the game. This is not the case with Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon, which articulates its plot with the suggestive universe created by Awaken Realms in its original board game. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Euler Member Oct 27, 2017 5,824 I really enjoy the vibes in the board game. Once I get some time I'll check this out.   Risev "This guy are sick" Member Oct 27, 2017 3,906 When does this release? Anyone got a timesheet for release hours?   weblaus Member Oct 27, 2017 1,062 TripleBee said: Good reviews. Just wondering about performance on console really. I assume I should go PS5 pro over Series X, but also there's a bunch of visual sliders for quality - would be nice to have an idea of how stable it is in the bigger world. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I haven't checked if they already have the planned updates out on consoles in the last few days, but in the original review copy state on both PS5 Pro and Series X the framerate had huge drops once you reach the first open world area and curiously especially in the first city (I stopped playing there for now) - really hope they can get that fixed as anyone who is somewhat sesitive to unstable framerates likely wouldn't much enjoy that.  Ganepark32 Member Nov 21, 2021 2,688 Risev said: When does this release? Anyone got a timesheet for release hours? Click to expand... Click to shrink... I believe it's releasing at 9am PST/12pm EST/5pm BST/6pm CEST. 8 hours, 11 minutes 
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