[eXtas1s] Next Xbox(es) will be Windows based, will include Steam/EGS + full Xbox library emulation and BC. GP still strategic (new tiers/prices)
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Here's the summary of latest eXtas1s' direct about verified rumors and leaks from his sources:
Steam/Epic Integration into Microsoft Store
A new app called "Steam DF Beta" has appeared in the Windows Microsoft Store, allowing users to install Steam directly from the official store.
The Epic Games Store is already integrated in the same way.
This doesn't mean current Xbox consoleswill natively run Steam, but that Windowswill offer an easier download/install experience.
Future "Console-Like" Shell on Windows
Microsoft is developing a compatibility layer or "shell" to give Windows a console-like interface, suitable for both PC gaming and next‑gen Xbox systems.Xbox Emulation on PC
An Xbox emulator for Windowsis in development, allowing users to play their Xbox library on PC by emulating the console rather than running native PC ports of the games.
Saves and achievements will remain separate between Steam, Microsoft Store/Xbox and will not sync automatically.
Backward Compatibility and "Pass‑Through" Titles
There are no plans to add new backward‑compatible games beyond what's already available, but the emulator work will let the entire Xbox library run on PC.Evolution of Game Pass
Game Passwill remain a strategic cornerstone and will not be discontinued.
New tiers are coming: cloud‑only, ad‑supported, PC‑only, Ultimate, etc.
A price restructuring is imminent, likely raising fees—especially for the PC tier.
Handling Rumors and Q&A
The creator explains their approach: freely discuss rumorsbut clearly flag when something isn't confirmed 100%.
They answer questions on topics such as:
Transferring Xbox libraries to new consolesWhether online emulation will require subscriptionsThird‑party titles and new COD at the next showcaseBuying on Steam vs. Microsoft StoreApparently what I suspected 1 year ago is actually coming true.
What do you think?
UPDATE:
Jez Corden mostly corroborated this
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Interesting strategy.
This is just a PC in a box.
In the interest of balance all developers need to have controller only lobbies in their multiplayer games.
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I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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Steam's login count would double overnight with this I guess.
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I don't believe the emulation part would have "the entire Xbox library" running on PC. It's not doable.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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I mean if true, who cares? I can tell you who doesn't, it's Microsoft.
Unless Steam titles will be selective, meaning you can buy THPS on Steam or MS store, or EGS.
But if it's full Steamahead with just being a PC, then fuck it, let them have it a PC.
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No manual app install? GOG, Uplay, and Origin be like:
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This is the common sense endpoint for Microsoft's gaming venture
Just like Nintendo merged handheld and console to make the switch. Microsoft merging the best parts of Pc and console while also allowing your library to live forever on pc is the best outcome for everyone
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--R said:
I don't believe the emulation part would have "the entire Xbox library" running on PC. It's not doable.
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For the entire Xbox library he means current XSX|XSS library and what's currently emulated/BC
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Maelstrom said:
I mean if true, who cares? I can tell you who doesn't, it's Microsoft.
Unless Steam titles will be selective, meaning you can buy THPS on Steam or MS store, or EGS.
But if it's full Steamahead with just being a PC, then fuck it, let them have it a PC.
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If the Xbox is basically a fisher price "babies first gaming pc" i can see that maintaining a market tbh
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Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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--R said:
I don't believe the emulation part would have "the entire Xbox library" running on PC. It's not doable.
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It's probably just the games that are currently playable on the xbox series.
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P40L0 said:
For the entire Xbox library he means current XSX|XSS library and what's currently emulated/BC
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I know. You still have to develop official Xbox One and Xbox Series emulators that have 100% compatibility. Not doable, and since extas1s has been way below a 50/50 recently I don't believe it.
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P40L0 said:
For the entire Xbox library he means current XSX|XSS library and what's currently emulated/BC
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I wonder if ~~r is talking about licensing because Microsoft would have to make a preeeetty big legal shenanigans to say that PCs are indeed Xbox's if they just allowed anyone to emulate the Xbox environment on pc and endorsed it
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If they can get the software down, this has the potential to be something that I would really, really love. That's a HUGE 'if' though.
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Sounds about what people expected. A pricey HW with Windows that is mostly there just as an Xbox branded option on the HW marker.
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T0kenAussie said:
This is the common sense endpoint for Microsoft's gaming venture
Just like Nintendo merged handheld and console to make the switch. Microsoft merging the best parts of Pc and console while also allowing your library to live forever on pc is the best outcome for everyone
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Certaily a good thing for me if it happens, but is it really good for MS? It seems like this would kill any xbox console unless the price to power ratio was vastly better than just building/buying a PC.
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T0kenAussie said:
I wonder if ~~r is talking about licensing because Microsoft would have to make a preeeetty big legal shenanigans to say that PCs are indeed Xbox's if they just allowed anyone to emulate the Xbox environment on pc and endorsed it
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It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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Guess they gave up on fighting Steam with the Microsoft Store and will instead prevent any Steam OS takeover over Windows for PC gaming on a broader level, seems reasonable and even late that they're finally leveraging Windows.
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Killing their 30% on third party games for the cheaper steam option sure feels like a good way to fuck your whole business up. Don't believe this for a second.
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I actually think this is a fantastic path for Microsoft and could be huge if they pull it off.
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I'd be interested
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--R said:
It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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They also talk about the "biggest performance leap" they ever had from gen to gen too
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Steam + Xbox + quick resume + Game Pass in a box under the TV. Sign me in.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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This is MS, so they could probably negotiate an even smaller percentage
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So I'd be able to get PS exclusives on my new Xbox from Steam, and use Game Pass, and also have Steam on my Xbox as well for indies/other games, vs the PS6 with no Game Pass and no Steam, but with MS first party games?
That's interesting
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bob1001 said:
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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Steam machine vibes
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bob1001 said:
something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys
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I don't see why this would be a concern. It seems like it can still be used as a console if that's what you want.
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I'll get it if b/c is there.
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P40L0 said:
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Unless they've found a way to timetravel and they're pulling hardware years from now into our timeline there is no way they're gonna emulate a Series X. I think extas1s is talking out of his ass again.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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Or just make a better business deal.
Anyway owning the box under the tv was always the aim, so I doubt they'd care much about gaming if they could do it. Much better to sell tv show deals.
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T0kenAussie said:
I wonder if ~~r is talking about licensing because Microsoft would have to make a preeeetty big legal shenanigans to say that PCs are indeed Xbox's if they just allowed anyone to emulate the Xbox environment on pc and endorsed it
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Maybe they wrote this into all of their licensing deals over the last X years if they knew they were heading in this direction.
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--R said:
It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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It's all running variants of DirectX. There is no way they would need to bruteforce it as regular software emulation.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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Those machines should be profitable out of box.
Steam is already on Windows and Xbox PC still growing.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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They wouldn't pay anymore to Steam than they already do on PC. Presumably this isn't going to be taking a loss like consoles usually do so that won't be as big a deal.
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bob1001 said:
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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Yeah, this doesn't interest me at all. A PC without modding capabilities is not a PC. That's like missing the whole point of PC gaming to me.
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I just hope any of the Xbox BC isn't cloud bullshit like PS3 on PS5, if that's the case better keep a Series X for these purposes.
bob1001 said:
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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It'll keep being just a Xbox for those who wants it? Especially if still has a disc drive.
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This is just a PC in a box.
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A PC is an Xbox so it's just an Xbox in a box!
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oni-link said:
So I'd be able to get PS exclusives on my new Xbox from Steam, and use Game Pass, and also have Steam on my Xbox as well for indies/other games, vs the PS6 with no Game Pass and no Steam, but with MS Exclusives?
That's interesting
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Basically, yeah.
I think the biggest part in all this is nailing down the "console user experience" which currently Windows 11 still do not offer.
If they will create a good new shell on boot instead of Desktop and mimic the current Xbox Dashboard experienceas much as possible it could really open a new market of devices. They could even open for other OEMs doing beefier, more premium or more economical variants of these new "consoles" as well.
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brenobnfm said:
I just hope any of the Xbox BC isn't cloud bullshit like PS3 on PS5, if that's the case better keep a Series X for these purposes.
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Nope, native offline emulation it seems
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It would depend on the limitations of it, and the implementation, however full console experience with being able to get access to cheap game keys for Steam and free giveaways that Epic always does is an attractive proposition.
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Nope, native offline emulation it seems
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Awesome.
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--R said:
Unless they've found a way to timetravel and they're pulling hardware years from now into our timeline there is no way they're gonna emulate a Series X. I think extas1s is talking out of his ass again.
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Which are the XSX console-exclusive games not natively available on PC anyway?
I think the last ones were from Xbox One?
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If the Xbox is basically a fisher price "babies first gaming pc" i can see that maintaining a market tbh
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Well that's their problem not yours.
Maybe they don't want to do that and just trying to keep the existing customers on board.
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Some other recent eXtas1s rumor threads:
eXtas1s sources say one function of the C button on Switch 2 is you can use the Switch 1 as a controller and/or screen for Switch 2 games
Gears Of War E-Day scheduled for a 2026 release - Gears Collection to be announced in June for PC/XSX/PS5
Tony Hawk 3+4 will be shadow dropped for PC, Xbox Series SIX and PS5 during the 2025 Xbox Games Showcase
Gears of War Trilogy Collection will be announced as multiplatform, day one on PS5, remasters of all 3 games, crossplay between PS5/Xbox/PC
Activision's Call of Duty: World at War and Singularity will arrive on Xbox Game Pass in May
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--R said:
It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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Imo they probably take a middle ground and emulate a series s. The main thing it would be used for is establishing a pathways for bc games to live with your accounts on the Microsoft store
Licensing is the real devil in the details I assume the last gen and this gen games would have wording in it about "Xbox devices and platforms" but the 360 and og catalogs wouldn't which makes me go hmmm at the full bc libraries being emulatable on a pc with no issues
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Sounds too good to be true, provided they can get a price and potency similar to the next Playstation, and if it has free online, it could really make me consider abandoning ps ecosystem.
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P40L0 said:
Which are the XSX console-exclusive games not natively available on PC anyway?
I think the last ones were from Xbox One?
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Your post literally says "An Xbox emulator for Windowsis in development, allowing users to play their Xbox library on PC by emulating the console rather than running native PC ports of the games."
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Imo they probably take a middle ground and emulate a series s. The main thing it would be used for is establishing a pathways for bc games to live with your accounts on the Microsoft store
Licensing is the real devil in the details I assume the last gen and this gen games would have wording in it about "Xbox devices and platforms" but the 360 and og catalogs wouldn't which makes me go hmmm at the full bc libraries being emulatable on a pc with no issues
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For real. I don't see how some of the third parties that agreed to bring the games back on BC would like to suddenly be on PC. That, or how would disc-only BC games work, because those still exist and they'd definitely not work. And now that I write this, yeah, how would disc-based games work on this?
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My prediction before the Series X was announced was pretty much exactly this, guess I was just off by a generation. For real though, I think this is the only way I'd be interested in a new Xbox console. With all their games being everywhere there isn't much a reason I'd need an xbox. But if its basically a consolized PC I could see that being potentially worth it assuming its not like Though even then... A gaming pc might not be too bad. Basically I'd rather pay a lot for a pc than a dedicated console.
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Paper Wario said:
Some other recent eXtas1s rumor threads:
eXtas1s sources say one function of the C button on Switch 2 is you can use the Switch 1 as a controller and/or screen for Switch 2 games
Gears Of War E-Day scheduled for a 2026 release - Gears Collection to be announced in June for PC/XSX/PS5
Tony Hawk 3+4 will be shadow dropped for PC, Xbox Series SIX and PS5 during the 2025 Xbox Games Showcase
Gears of War Trilogy Collection will be announced as multiplatform, day one on PS5, remasters of all 3 games, crossplay between PS5/Xbox/PC
Activision's Call of Duty: World at War and Singularity will arrive on Xbox Game Pass in May
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Have they gotten anything right? Are they always wrong or just wrong half the time? Lol
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[eXtas1s] Next Xbox(es) will be Windows based, will include Steam/EGS + full Xbox library emulation and BC. GP still strategic (new tiers/prices)
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Here's the summary of latest eXtas1s' direct about verified rumors and leaks from his sources:
Steam/Epic Integration into Microsoft Store
A new app called "Steam DF Beta" has appeared in the Windows Microsoft Store, allowing users to install Steam directly from the official store.
The Epic Games Store is already integrated in the same way.
This doesn't mean current Xbox consoleswill natively run Steam, but that Windowswill offer an easier download/install experience.
Future "Console-Like" Shell on Windows
Microsoft is developing a compatibility layer or "shell" to give Windows a console-like interface, suitable for both PC gaming and next‑gen Xbox systems.Xbox Emulation on PC
An Xbox emulator for Windowsis in development, allowing users to play their Xbox library on PC by emulating the console rather than running native PC ports of the games.
Saves and achievements will remain separate between Steam, Microsoft Store/Xbox and will not sync automatically.
Backward Compatibility and "Pass‑Through" Titles
There are no plans to add new backward‑compatible games beyond what's already available, but the emulator work will let the entire Xbox library run on PC.Evolution of Game Pass
Game Passwill remain a strategic cornerstone and will not be discontinued.
New tiers are coming: cloud‑only, ad‑supported, PC‑only, Ultimate, etc.
A price restructuring is imminent, likely raising fees—especially for the PC tier.
Handling Rumors and Q&A
The creator explains their approach: freely discuss rumorsbut clearly flag when something isn't confirmed 100%.
They answer questions on topics such as:
Transferring Xbox libraries to new consolesWhether online emulation will require subscriptionsThird‑party titles and new COD at the next showcaseBuying on Steam vs. Microsoft StoreApparently what I suspected 1 year ago is actually coming true.
What do you think?
UPDATE:
Jez Corden mostly corroborated this
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Interesting strategy.
This is just a PC in a box.
In the interest of balance all developers need to have controller only lobbies in their multiplayer games.
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I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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Steam's login count would double overnight with this I guess.
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I don't believe the emulation part would have "the entire Xbox library" running on PC. It's not doable.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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I mean if true, who cares? I can tell you who doesn't, it's Microsoft.
Unless Steam titles will be selective, meaning you can buy THPS on Steam or MS store, or EGS.
But if it's full Steamahead with just being a PC, then fuck it, let them have it a PC.
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No manual app install? GOG, Uplay, and Origin be like:
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This is the common sense endpoint for Microsoft's gaming venture
Just like Nintendo merged handheld and console to make the switch. Microsoft merging the best parts of Pc and console while also allowing your library to live forever on pc is the best outcome for everyone
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--R said:
I don't believe the emulation part would have "the entire Xbox library" running on PC. It's not doable.
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For the entire Xbox library he means current XSX|XSS library and what's currently emulated/BC
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Maelstrom said:
I mean if true, who cares? I can tell you who doesn't, it's Microsoft.
Unless Steam titles will be selective, meaning you can buy THPS on Steam or MS store, or EGS.
But if it's full Steamahead with just being a PC, then fuck it, let them have it a PC.
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If the Xbox is basically a fisher price "babies first gaming pc" i can see that maintaining a market tbh
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Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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--R said:
I don't believe the emulation part would have "the entire Xbox library" running on PC. It's not doable.
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It's probably just the games that are currently playable on the xbox series.
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For the entire Xbox library he means current XSX|XSS library and what's currently emulated/BC
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I know. You still have to develop official Xbox One and Xbox Series emulators that have 100% compatibility. Not doable, and since extas1s has been way below a 50/50 recently I don't believe it.
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P40L0 said:
For the entire Xbox library he means current XSX|XSS library and what's currently emulated/BC
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I wonder if ~~r is talking about licensing because Microsoft would have to make a preeeetty big legal shenanigans to say that PCs are indeed Xbox's if they just allowed anyone to emulate the Xbox environment on pc and endorsed it
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If they can get the software down, this has the potential to be something that I would really, really love. That's a HUGE 'if' though.
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Sounds about what people expected. A pricey HW with Windows that is mostly there just as an Xbox branded option on the HW marker.
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T0kenAussie said:
This is the common sense endpoint for Microsoft's gaming venture
Just like Nintendo merged handheld and console to make the switch. Microsoft merging the best parts of Pc and console while also allowing your library to live forever on pc is the best outcome for everyone
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Certaily a good thing for me if it happens, but is it really good for MS? It seems like this would kill any xbox console unless the price to power ratio was vastly better than just building/buying a PC.
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T0kenAussie said:
I wonder if ~~r is talking about licensing because Microsoft would have to make a preeeetty big legal shenanigans to say that PCs are indeed Xbox's if they just allowed anyone to emulate the Xbox environment on pc and endorsed it
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It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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Guess they gave up on fighting Steam with the Microsoft Store and will instead prevent any Steam OS takeover over Windows for PC gaming on a broader level, seems reasonable and even late that they're finally leveraging Windows.
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Killing their 30% on third party games for the cheaper steam option sure feels like a good way to fuck your whole business up. Don't believe this for a second.
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I actually think this is a fantastic path for Microsoft and could be huge if they pull it off.
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--R said:
It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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They also talk about the "biggest performance leap" they ever had from gen to gen too
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Steam + Xbox + quick resume + Game Pass in a box under the TV. Sign me in.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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This is MS, so they could probably negotiate an even smaller percentage
oni-link
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So I'd be able to get PS exclusives on my new Xbox from Steam, and use Game Pass, and also have Steam on my Xbox as well for indies/other games, vs the PS6 with no Game Pass and no Steam, but with MS first party games?
That's interesting
Justsomeguy
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bob1001 said:
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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Steam machine vibes
Mr Evil 37
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bob1001 said:
something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys
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I don't see why this would be a concern. It seems like it can still be used as a console if that's what you want.
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I'll get it if b/c is there.
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P40L0 said:
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Unless they've found a way to timetravel and they're pulling hardware years from now into our timeline there is no way they're gonna emulate a Series X. I think extas1s is talking out of his ass again.
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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Or just make a better business deal.
Anyway owning the box under the tv was always the aim, so I doubt they'd care much about gaming if they could do it. Much better to sell tv show deals.
Mr Evil 37
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T0kenAussie said:
I wonder if ~~r is talking about licensing because Microsoft would have to make a preeeetty big legal shenanigans to say that PCs are indeed Xbox's if they just allowed anyone to emulate the Xbox environment on pc and endorsed it
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Maybe they wrote this into all of their licensing deals over the last X years if they knew they were heading in this direction.
andymoogle
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--R said:
It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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It's all running variants of DirectX. There is no way they would need to bruteforce it as regular software emulation.
Copilot
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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Those machines should be profitable out of box.
Steam is already on Windows and Xbox PC still growing.
Flame Lord
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Sabin said:
I highly doubt that. If everyone would just use steam on XBOX Next MS would have to pay 20 to 30% of every transaction made to Valve.
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They wouldn't pay anymore to Steam than they already do on PC. Presumably this isn't going to be taking a loss like consoles usually do so that won't be as big a deal.
texhnolyze
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bob1001 said:
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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Yeah, this doesn't interest me at all. A PC without modding capabilities is not a PC. That's like missing the whole point of PC gaming to me.
brenobnfm
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I just hope any of the Xbox BC isn't cloud bullshit like PS3 on PS5, if that's the case better keep a Series X for these purposes.
bob1001 said:
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I feel like the end result here is something that is too far away from a console to appeal to the console guys, and too far away from a PC to appeal to the PC guys. Just occupying this awkward middle ground niche.
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It'll keep being just a Xbox for those who wants it? Especially if still has a disc drive.
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This is just a PC in a box.
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A PC is an Xbox so it's just an Xbox in a box!
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P40L0
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oni-link said:
So I'd be able to get PS exclusives on my new Xbox from Steam, and use Game Pass, and also have Steam on my Xbox as well for indies/other games, vs the PS6 with no Game Pass and no Steam, but with MS Exclusives?
That's interesting
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Basically, yeah.
I think the biggest part in all this is nailing down the "console user experience" which currently Windows 11 still do not offer.
If they will create a good new shell on boot instead of Desktop and mimic the current Xbox Dashboard experienceas much as possible it could really open a new market of devices. They could even open for other OEMs doing beefier, more premium or more economical variants of these new "consoles" as well.
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P40L0
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brenobnfm said:
I just hope any of the Xbox BC isn't cloud bullshit like PS3 on PS5, if that's the case better keep a Series X for these purposes.
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Nope, native offline emulation it seems
Zutroy
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It would depend on the limitations of it, and the implementation, however full console experience with being able to get access to cheap game keys for Steam and free giveaways that Epic always does is an attractive proposition.
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P40L0 said:
Nope, native offline emulation it seems
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Awesome.
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P40L0
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--R said:
Unless they've found a way to timetravel and they're pulling hardware years from now into our timeline there is no way they're gonna emulate a Series X. I think extas1s is talking out of his ass again.
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Which are the XSX console-exclusive games not natively available on PC anyway?
I think the last ones were from Xbox One?
Maelstrom
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T0kenAussie said:
If the Xbox is basically a fisher price "babies first gaming pc" i can see that maintaining a market tbh
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Well that's their problem not yours.
Maybe they don't want to do that and just trying to keep the existing customers on board.
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Some other recent eXtas1s rumor threads:
eXtas1s sources say one function of the C button on Switch 2 is you can use the Switch 1 as a controller and/or screen for Switch 2 games
Gears Of War E-Day scheduled for a 2026 release - Gears Collection to be announced in June for PC/XSX/PS5
Tony Hawk 3+4 will be shadow dropped for PC, Xbox Series SIX and PS5 during the 2025 Xbox Games Showcase
Gears of War Trilogy Collection will be announced as multiplatform, day one on PS5, remasters of all 3 games, crossplay between PS5/Xbox/PC
Activision's Call of Duty: World at War and Singularity will arrive on Xbox Game Pass in May
T0kenAussie
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--R said:
It's one part of my argument, yes. The other one is, simply, performance. I can see a 360 emulator working performance-wise, but this becomes way harder as you go up to One and Series. You require a lot more juice if you try to emulate a Series X.
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Imo they probably take a middle ground and emulate a series s. The main thing it would be used for is establishing a pathways for bc games to live with your accounts on the Microsoft store
Licensing is the real devil in the details I assume the last gen and this gen games would have wording in it about "Xbox devices and platforms" but the 360 and og catalogs wouldn't which makes me go hmmm at the full bc libraries being emulatable on a pc with no issues
Egida
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Sounds too good to be true, provided they can get a price and potency similar to the next Playstation, and if it has free online, it could really make me consider abandoning ps ecosystem.
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P40L0 said:
Which are the XSX console-exclusive games not natively available on PC anyway?
I think the last ones were from Xbox One?
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Your post literally says "An Xbox emulator for Windowsis in development, allowing users to play their Xbox library on PC by emulating the console rather than running native PC ports of the games."
T0kenAussie said:
Imo they probably take a middle ground and emulate a series s. The main thing it would be used for is establishing a pathways for bc games to live with your accounts on the Microsoft store
Licensing is the real devil in the details I assume the last gen and this gen games would have wording in it about "Xbox devices and platforms" but the 360 and og catalogs wouldn't which makes me go hmmm at the full bc libraries being emulatable on a pc with no issues
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For real. I don't see how some of the third parties that agreed to bring the games back on BC would like to suddenly be on PC. That, or how would disc-only BC games work, because those still exist and they'd definitely not work. And now that I write this, yeah, how would disc-based games work on this?
Ruu
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My prediction before the Series X was announced was pretty much exactly this, guess I was just off by a generation. For real though, I think this is the only way I'd be interested in a new Xbox console. With all their games being everywhere there isn't much a reason I'd need an xbox. But if its basically a consolized PC I could see that being potentially worth it assuming its not like Though even then... A gaming pc might not be too bad. Basically I'd rather pay a lot for a pc than a dedicated console.
oni-link
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Paper Wario said:
Some other recent eXtas1s rumor threads:
eXtas1s sources say one function of the C button on Switch 2 is you can use the Switch 1 as a controller and/or screen for Switch 2 games
Gears Of War E-Day scheduled for a 2026 release - Gears Collection to be announced in June for PC/XSX/PS5
Tony Hawk 3+4 will be shadow dropped for PC, Xbox Series SIX and PS5 during the 2025 Xbox Games Showcase
Gears of War Trilogy Collection will be announced as multiplatform, day one on PS5, remasters of all 3 games, crossplay between PS5/Xbox/PC
Activision's Call of Duty: World at War and Singularity will arrive on Xbox Game Pass in May
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Have they gotten anything right? Are they always wrong or just wrong half the time? Lol
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