mavericktopgunMemberOct 27, 20175,067No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game. Not graphically nor image quality wise.So, does the Switch 2 really support DLSS?Remember the rumour with the Matrix UE5 Demo? I don't believe the Switch 2 can run that after yesterdays presentation.:(Last edited: Today at 4:50 AM LewiePMemberOct 26, 201719,478I think Cyberpunk on Switch 2 looks a lot better than Cyberpunk on Switch 1.My guess is DLSS is there, but due to limited time and wanting to focus on other things, it was not mentioned.XandoMemberOct 28, 201735,751I would be surprised if they could offer the resolutions and frame rates they advertised without some kind of upscaling technique. Whether that's dlss or something else we will have to seensilviasMemberOct 25, 201729,297they are using the tensor cores for stuff on switch 2 so theoretically yes.xylaMemberOct 27, 20179,374GermanyCompare Cyberpunk with Witcher 3 on the Switch. We saw FFVII and SW Outlaws. None of them would look anything close on SW1. They would just not run at all probably. Give it some time. Dev kits have not been handed out for that long (I guess) and maybe the DLSS hooks were not in yet (isn't it usually one of the later steps for games?) - it wouldn't make any sense if Nintendo went with a modern, custom Nvidia chip but left out DLSS capabilities. Stranger things have happened but I'm feeling good about what I've seen. Compare that to a Steam Deck for example - a lot of games look super washed out because of FSR2/3 and 800p max - this doesn't seem comparable.bushmonkeyMemberOct 29, 20176,005Nintendo aren't the kind of company to mention something like DLSS that most of their audience wouldn't understand or care about. We'll see what Digital Foundry has to say when they get their hands on it :)Bony ManifestoMemberOct 27, 20174,264They surely wouldn't have gone with a 1080p screen if there wasn't some form of high quality upscaling. But on the other hand, a lot of the games in the Direct (mostly the third party ones) had some pretty rough upscaled image quality.strudelkuchenMemberOct 25, 201712,999[Digital Foundry] Switch 2 Unveiled - Games, Hardware, Specs + More - A DF Direct Specialhttps://youtu.be/BC8XX9pwP40www.resetera.comSounds like no DLSS.KhaiduMemberOct 28, 2017266mavericktopgun said:No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game. Not graphically nor image quality wise.So, does the Switch 2 really support DLSS?Remember the rumour with the Matrix UE5 Demo? I don't believe the Switch 2 can run that after yesterdays presentation.:(Click to expand...Click to shrink...DLSS isn't some magic formula to create amazing visuals. It will always be iterative, especially on a handheld platform.OP OPmavericktopgunMemberOct 27, 20175,067I hoped Switch 1 games would run in docked mode even in portable mode on Switch 2.. Sub 540p Switch 1 games on that 1080p screen will look BAD. --RBeing sued right now, please help me find a lawyerMemberOct 25, 201715,139mavericktopgun said:I hoped Switch 1 games would run in docked mode even in portable mode on Switch 2..Sub 540p Switch 1 games on that 1080p screen will look BAD.Click to expand...Click to shrink...That has nothing to do with DLSS lol. That's down to their BC solution.BulbyProphet of TruthMemberOct 29, 20175,865BerlinKhaidu said:DLSS isn't some magic formula to create amazing visuals. It will always be iterative, especially on a handheld platform.Click to expand...Click to shrink...This was my thought.Not sure what you think DLSS is.If they can run Zelda at 1440p 60s natively, thats a better option than potentially degrading IQ and using up frame time.SwitchDeckMemberFeb 5, 2025162I'd wait and see footage from Treehouse live today, they might be showing off newer builds than what the trailers were based onKing_MocMemberOct 25, 20174,640Has everyone lost their minds or something? Nothing that looked much better? The two major first party games didn't even look remotely possible on switch 1, metroid is doing 4k60, and then you've got stuff like cyberpunk and star wars outlaws in there too.WtfpigeonsMemberAug 6, 2020544King_Moc said:Has everyone lost their minds or something? Nothing that looked much better? The two major first party games didn't even look remotely possible on switch 1, metroid is doing 4k60, and then you've got stuff like cyberpunk and star wars outlaws in there too.Click to expand...Click to shrink...I think people are forgetting about the fps drops and dynamic resolution in games.DeadlyVenomMemberApr 3, 20183,339King_Moc said:Has everyone lost their minds or something? Nothing that looked much better? The two major first party games didn't even look remotely possible on switch 1, metroid is doing 4k60, and then you've got stuff like cyberpunk and star wars outlaws in there too.Click to expand...Click to shrink...My Donkey Kong wasn't ray traced. 0/10Mr.DeadshotMemberOct 27, 201722,672King_Moc said:Has everyone lost their minds or something? Nothing that looked much better? The two major first party games didn't even look remotely possible on switch 1, metroid is doing 4k60, and then you've got stuff like cyberpunk and star wars outlaws in there too.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Cyberpunk and Outlaws will be very interesting because they run and look not especially GREAT on a base PS5 in some places. Especially Outlaws can have some very rough IQ.AlehMemberOct 27, 201719,410"No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game. Not graphically nor image quality wise."This is an insane take and makes you look like a trollJackDTMemberOct 27, 20171,137Digital Foundry concluded that the GPU in the Switch 2 was too weak to use the regular DLSS that PC NVidia cards use, it would take too long per frame on that GPU, even though the hardware supports it. (The newest DLSS 4.0, the transformer mode, even more expensive.) But they found a paper from either NVIDIA or Nintendo about an extra lightweight DLSS technique that would be fast enough on the Switch 2. So Nintendo can't just toggle on DLSS like a PC GPU, they need their custom version to be ready, and maybe it's not there yet.King_MocMemberOct 25, 20174,640Mr.Deadshot said:Cyberpunk and Outlaws will be very interesting because they run and look not especially GREAT on a base PS5 in some places. Especially Outlaws can have some very rough IQ.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Outlaws looked absolutely garbage in all modes on PS5. I can only assume they implemented a non rtx global lighting solution just for this port. strife85MemberOct 30, 20171,755Maybe they'll have an option for docked mode?King_MocMemberOct 25, 20174,640strife85 said:Maybe they'll have an option for docked mode?Click to expand...Click to shrink...I think the very low tensor core count means it might actually be used in handheld mode (if they use it at all). 540p > 1080p needs to generate an extra 1.5 million pixels. 1080p to 4k needs to generate 6 million.I think their patent only showed 540p > 1080p as an example too.Might even be possible that the rumoured lightweight model is reliant on the 1:1 integer scaling of 540p > 1080p?cw_sasukeMemberOct 27, 201729,327Trailers seem to be mostly from older builds of the games, lets see how things look like on treehouse. I would assume these games would be ported first to run naively and only after the fact try to apply DLSS and compare the results, deciding if it makes sense performance/quality wise.At the end of the day its still a console launch, so a lot of software is gonna come in hot in terms of optimization just to hit the release date. And yes i would expect a lot of titles to have essential Day 1 patches as well.OP OPmavericktopgunMemberOct 27, 20175,067Aleh said:"No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game. Not graphically nor image quality wise."This is an insane take and makes you look like a trollClick to expand...Click to shrink...I'm not a troll but look at the new Hyrule Warriors game.. if I told you this was coming to Switch 1 and was Switch 1 footage you would believe it.jp2123MemberMay 28, 20215I sincerely question if OP even has a Switch 1.mavericktopgun said:No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game. Not graphically nor image quality wise.Click to expand...Click to shrink...When was the last time you played a Switch 1 game? Because that's a wild statement.Switch 2 is noticeably a generational leap over Switch 1OP OPmavericktopgunMemberOct 27, 20175,067jp2123 said:I sincerely question if OP even has a Switch 1.When was the last time you played a Switch 1 game? Because that's a wild statement.Switch 2 is noticeably a generational leap over Switch 1Click to expand...Click to shrink...I own 4 Switches. V1,V2, Lite and OLED and I know how a game like Hyrule Warriors looks on it because I own a few hundred games, including this one.KhaiduMemberOct 28, 2017266mavericktopgun said:I'm not a troll but look at the new Hyrule Warriors game.. if I told you this was coming to Switch 1 and was Switch 1 footage you would believe it.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Visual fidelity isn't the only thing that makes a game demanding.JoRuMemberOct 25, 20171,924mavericktopgun said:I'm not a troll but look at the new Hyrule Warriors game.. if I told you this was coming to Switch 1 and was Switch 1 footage you would believe it.Click to expand...Click to shrink...They're literally trying to recreate the look of Tears of the Kingdom, so it looking like that game should not be much of surprise. Using a Warriors game as indication of anything regarding what a system can do doesn't feel like a very good idea, either.OP OPmavericktopgunMemberOct 27, 20175,067Khaidu said:Visual fidelity isn't the only thing that makes a game demanding.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Would you say, that they showed a game that really demonstrates the power of the Switch 2? Be honest.PS5 had Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and Demon's Souls Remake and both showed a generational leap over PS4.AlehMemberOct 27, 201719,410mavericktopgun said:I'm not a troll but look at the new Hyrule Warriors game.. if I told you this was coming to Switch 1 and was Switch 1 footage you would believe it.Click to expand...Click to shrink...The last Hyrule Warriors was low res, low fps, and looked bad on top of that this one is high res, high (and most importantly stable) fps and looks a lot better. I would definitely not think it's a Switch 1 game. NoppieMemberOct 27, 201714,457mavericktopgun said:Would you say, that they showed a game that really demonstrates the power of the Switch 2? Be honest.Click to expand...Click to shrink...This was not your original statement tho, stop moving goalposts.logashMemberOct 27, 20175,973double postlogashMemberOct 27, 20175,973mavericktopgun said:I'm not a troll but look at the new Hyrule Warriors game.. if I told you this was coming to Switch 1 and was Switch 1 footage you would believe it.Click to expand...Click to shrink...I wouldn't since it isn't a slide show.Rinku_MemberMay 4, 20231,870OP I think we should wait for more footage, especially direct feed stuff which we should hopefully be getting very soon. The DF guys already mentioned that the ER trailer was completely borked and it wasn't actually running all that choppy.2CL4MarsMemberNov 9, 20182,351jp2123 said:Switch 2 is noticeably a generational leap over Switch 1Click to expand...Click to shrink...Is PS4 to 5 a generational leap?julia crawfordTook the red AND the blue pillsMemberOct 27, 201740,158i for one would welcome knowing that switch 2 games will have no reconstruction artifacts, i've grown weary of themxpownz Legend MemberFeb 13, 20202,813Did switch 1 already enter nostalgia territory?Because this is surely a take...goddamn, MKWorld and Bananza looked amazing and wouldnt run on the first switch with that image quality and stable fps...BoredLemonMemberNov 11, 20171,084julia crawford said:i for one would welcome knowing that switch 2 games will have no reconstruction artifacts, i've grown weary of themClick to expand...Click to shrink...Even if it doesn't have DLSS, Switch 2 still will have reconstruction artifact, it's just gonna be TAAU/FSR2 artifacts, which is worse. See: Split fiction switch 2 footage.KhaiduMemberOct 28, 2017266mavericktopgun said:Would you say, that they showed a game that really demonstrates the power of the Switch 2? Be honest.PS5 had Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and Demon's Souls Remake and both showed a generational leap over PS4.Click to expand...Click to shrink...That's not how this thread started but fine. I would say most of the games showed the power of Switch 2. You're doing the mistake of thinking that Nintendo consoles push raw power, which they don't. The hardware is old even before it's launched, and you're comparing with PS5 visuals? Check your expectations.EphonkAvengerOct 25, 20172,375BelgiumThis is certainly a take:mavericktopgun said:No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game. Not graphically nor image quality wise.Click to expand...Click to shrink...What switch 1 game looks like this (at 60fps, 1440p)? That's not even mentioning the games that weren't possible on switch like Elden Ring, CP77 and Star Wars Outlaws. LCGeekMemberOct 28, 20176,311mavericktopgun said:Would you say, that they showed a game that really demonstrates the power of the Switch 2? Be honest.PS5 had Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and Demon's Souls Remake and both showed a generational leap over PS4.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Seeing MK go from a game that for 2 gens had a linear design and couldn't push a lot of characters on screen all at once to a game that now has a gigantic open world map with twice the amount certainly qualifies as a leap. Hyrule warriors doesn't look like it will choke for onceMetriod Prime and Zelda are now running 60fps with much higher fidelity You're sincerely trying to act like switch could run them to anywhere near the same degree when we know how it already runs the titles mentioned? We also aren't waiting a year out from launch to see a leap these are remasters or a fresh MK that is already showing more gains than we have seen basically since cube.Rinku_MemberMay 4, 20231,870Ephonk said:This is certainly a take:What switch 1 game looks like this (at 60fps, 1440p)?Click to expand...Click to shrink...All whilst existing in a world map probably bigger than Breath of the Wild.artsiMemberOct 26, 20173,331FinlandI would never expect Nintendo to mention the branding "DLSS" in their Switch 2 marketing even if the feature is supported.MarmokaMemberOct 27, 20176,300Nothing is confirmed and we are in the early stage of the console, it's not out yet. I suppose we will know more about DLSS and RT being present or not in the next months. However the hardware is more impressive than I thought, I didn't expect the screen to be able to handle 120HzCharcoalMemberNov 2, 20179,429DLSS performance is going to be a $10 add-on. Quality mode is $20.JetstreamRorschachOne Winged SlayerMemberDec 30, 20171,999Zaragoza, Spain.NVIDIA and Nintendo designed the SoC with Tensor Cores and Ray Tracing Cores. NVN2, the API Switch 2 uses, already supported DLSS in 2022.It is an option. Wait for final builds and launch to see games using it as long as devs want to.Star Wars seemed to use it by the little artifacting on the hair (that actually looks less fuzzy than the other versions).gabdegMemberOct 26, 20177,275Wouldn't Nintendo have to develop their own upscaler? I never really believed in them just using actual DLSS. More assumed the hardware is capable of that style of upscaling and that it would have to be developed first. Could be that Nintendo just didn't get there yet.Mr_F_SnowmanMemberOct 27, 20174,511mavericktopgun said:I'm not a trollClick to expand...Click to shrink...And yet you said "No game in the Direct looked MUCH better than a Switch 1 game" which is indeed very trollish. Curious. If you don't think Cyberpunk / FF7R look any better than a Switch 1 game then you might as well stop making any visual comparisons as apparently your eyes are faultyrubidiumMemberOct 25, 20171,673Render everything in low resolution so extra power can be used for more details, let DLSS take care of the rest, and the end result would be somewhat comparable to PS5.That is exactly what analysis like him kept chanting and some people might have fell for it.PazMemberNov 1, 20172,371Brisbane, AustraliaI've got no idea if it supports DLSS (no dev kits for me yet sadly) but I cannot believe people think these looks close to switch 1 visually.We just spent 6 months optimizing our game to run at 60fps 1080 on a switch 1, it's a very capable machine considering the time it came out and how much it cost and the form factor but it's a world apart from what we've seen of switch 2. Maybe people have been playing their ps5s too much and are mentally comparing those two more than the handheld it's actually replacing: