Red Kong XIX Member Oct 11, 2020 12,788 View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZAr1c0Wqg Following on from our DF Direct Special on Switch 2, it's Rich, Oliver and Alex at the mics this week for the latest Direct, talking more about the new Nintendo hybrid, breaking down specs, how much more capable the new machine is vs Switch 1 and Steam Deck, and lots, lots more on how the games are running based on the available media. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 0:00:00 Introduction 0:01:11 News 1: Nvidia reveals Switch 2 tech 0:24:57 News 2: Switch 2 follow-up: display and streaming 0:34:42 News 3: Switch 2 comparisons and highlights: Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Elden Ring 0:43:35 Metroid Prime 4, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 0:53:52 Fast Fusion, Hyrule Warriors, Star Wars Outlaws 1:04:46 Supporter Q1: Is Switch 2 game and console pricing justified? 1:15:07 Supporter Q2: Is the Switch 2 a Steam Deck killer? 1:21:59 Supporter Q3: Why is there such a disparity between Metroid Prime 4 and many third party Switch 2 games? 1:25:47 Supporter Q4: Will developers often target 40fps on Switch 2? 1:32:25 Supporter Q5: What's the Switch 2's CPU performance? 1:39:53 Supporter Q6: What processor node shrink will be needed for a Switch 2 Lite? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Eurogamer article: Switch 2: the tech specs that Nintendo and Nvidia are not sharing How powerful is the custom T239 processor in the new console and how does it compare to PS4 and Steam Deck? Digital Foundry reports. www.eurogamer.net With all of these specifications in mind, I have to say that there's nothing from last week's Nintendo Direct or the hands-on demos in the Paris and New York events that look at all surprising. Everything seems to slot in perfectly with expectations, barring a conspicuous lack of DLSS-supported games. Way back when, Activision's Bobby Kotick described the machine as offering PS4 class power and by and large, that's in the ballpark of what the third-party demos revealed. Elden Ring runs at 1080p at 30fps or thereabouts on PS4, and that's what we saw with Switch 2 in last week's Direct. Despite some briefing from Sega that Yakuza Zero runs at 4K60, all the gameplay assets we've seen look like the same 1080p60 as PS4. It's the same with Final Fantasy 7 Remake: true, Switch 2 gets the Intergrade version but again, it's running at 1080p and wobbly frame-pacing apart, runs at 30fps. Click to expand... Click to shrink... However, similar to the way the original Switch offered GPU performance seemingly in the Xbox 360/Wii U class, we should expect more - simply by virtue of the fact that although the RTX 30-series Ampere architecture is now getting on for five years old, it supports all the modern features a developer would want: hardware-accelerated ray tracing, mesh shaders and machine learning for DLSS upscaling, just for starters. With 256GB of UFS storage backed by the file decompression hardware, developers should have lightning-fast access to data in a way that the PS4 never had. Cyberpunk 2077 will be an interesting exercise in seeing how Switch 2 handles demanding titles, but more than that, I can't wait to see Star Wars Outlaws - where the footage shown in last week's Direct looked perhaps too good to be true. Cyberpunk is a good litmus test, but remember it runs on PS4 and runs well on Steam Deck. Star Wars Outlaws is current-gen only and the game is simply 'too big' for the Deck. Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Last edited: Yesterday at 11:38 AM Reflecting Sky Member Mar 17, 2024 2,263 Thanks! Gonna give it a listen in the background.   Dekuman Member Oct 27, 2017 20,481 Can anyone summarize? at work and can't watch. Also" Supporter Q2: Is the Switch 2 a Steam Deck killer? Click to expand... Click to shrink... This discourse needs to end. Saw lots of saltiness online about this, there's a comparison to be made as a technical curiosity but these two products are not in competition, only in the minds of people who refuse to get a Switch 2 and need a reason to not get one.  LuigiV One Winged Slayer Member Oct 27, 2017 2,843 Perth, Australia Dekuman said: Can anyone summarize? at work and can't watch. Click to expand... Click to shrink... You might need to wait on that one. It's a two hour long podcast that was only released 10 minutes ago. It's also worth pointing out that the podcast is available in audio form on most services including Spotify and probably some free ones. Don't know what your job is, but if you can get away with wearing headphones, then you could listen to it while you work.  Orbulon Member Nov 1, 2017 592 France Poor Alex having to stomach a week of Switch-centric discussions once again.   vio55555 Member Apr 11, 2024 3,073 Dekuman said: Can anyone summarize? at work and can't watch. Also" This discourse needs to end. Saw lots of saltiness online about this, there's a comparison to be made as a technical curiosity but these two products are not in competition, only in the minds of people who refuse to get a Switch 2 and need a reason to not get one. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Agreed. There's no competition between Steam Deck and Switch 2 in my mind; they're completely separate things with separate markets; very little in the way of head-to-head competition.  Celentano Member Aug 17, 2023 357 Dekuman said: Can anyone summarize? Click to expand... Click to shrink... "Way back when, Activision's Bobby Kotick described the machine as offering PS4 class power and by and large, that's in the ballpark of what the third-party demos revealed. Elden Ring runs at 1080p at 30fps or thereabouts on PS4, and that's what we saw with Switch 2 in last week's Direct. Despite some briefing from Sega that Yakuza Zero runs at 4K60, all the gameplay assets we've seen look like the same 1080p60 as PS4. It's the same with Final Fantasy 7 Remake: true, Switch 2 gets the Intergrade version but again, it's running at 1080p and wobbly frame-pacing apart, runs at 30fps." Click to expand... Click to shrink... Switch 2: the tech specs that Nintendo and Nvidia are not sharing How powerful is the custom T239 processor in the new console and how does it compare to PS4 and Steam Deck? Digital Foundry reports. www.eurogamer.net   boldverine Member Jun 3, 2018 100 vio55555 said: Agreed. There's no competition between Steam Deck and Switch 2 in my mind; they're completely separate things with separate markets; very little in the way of head-to-head competition. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Indeed! People like to compare them hardware wise, and I have seen a ton of people saying the price of Switch 2 is high because the Steam Deck as better hardware for less money (???!???), but it seems like such an irrelevant point, because at the end of the day one allows you to so much more, while requiring quite some tinkering, and the other has better optimization and is more plug and play, so it's more about software than any thing else.  vixolus Prophet of Truth Member Sep 22, 2020 69,236 Some DF supporter questions crack me up. Because the type of viewer to watch DF AND support them on patreon AND submit questions and listen to DFDirects seem like they'd be pretty in tune with technical realities And then the question about switch 2 performance and underestimating it being wrong on like 5 counts and way overstating its performance is funny to me  Ephonk Avenger Oct 25, 2017 2,383 Belgium vio55555 said: Agreed. There's no competition between Steam Deck and Switch 2 in my mind; they're completely separate things with separate markets; very little in the way of head-to-head competition. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yeah, also agree. I have a steam deck, I pre-ordered a Switch 2 and I wil also get a Steam Deck 2. I have always loved playing portable, but to me this feels like the first time where I can go handheld only and play most of the games out there. And while some AAA games won't arrive immediately, chances are more real then not that one day they'll come to a portable platform.  Ariakon44 Prophet of Truth Member Nov 17, 2020 11,311 Dekuman said: Can anyone summarize? at work and can't watch. Also" This discourse needs to end. Saw lots of saltiness online about this, there's a comparison to be made as a technical curiosity but these two products are not in competition, only in the minds of people who refuse to get a Switch 2 and need a reason to not get one. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I haven't watched the video but there's an article that takes on a lot of the same subjects too. Some quotes: "With all of these specifications in mind, I have to say that there's nothing from last week's Nintendo Direct or the hands-on demos in the Paris and New York events that look at all surprising. Everything seems to slot in perfectly with expectations, barring a conspicuous lack of DLSS-supported games. Way back when, Activision's Bobby Kotick described the performance as ps4 class power and by and large, that's in the ballpark of what the third-party demos revealed. Elden ring runs at 1080p at 30fps or thereabouts on PS4, and that's what we saw with Switch 2 in last week's Direct. Despite some briefing from Sega that Yakuza Zero runs at 4K60, all the gameplay assets we've seen look like the same 1080p60 as PS4. It's the same with Final Fantasy VII Remake: true, Switch 2 gets the Intergrade version but again, it's running at 1080p and wobbly frame-pacing apart, runs at 30fps." "We've been asked whether Switch 2 is a 'Steam Deck killer' and while we'll only be able to make some kind of definitive analysis closer to review time, our answer for now is both yes and no. More specifically, our contention right now is that the docked Switch 2 delivers more than the Deck - but the jury is out on the mobile experience. Looking at third party games like Elden Ring and Final Fantasy 7, it's hard to believe that the Deck could deliver native 1080p with the same features and performance Switch 2 is delivering." "There's nothing stopping it running any version of DLSS from 2.0 upwards - even DLSS 4's transformer model. However, DLSS is not a free lunch - it has a computational cost. It's not so much if Switch 2 can run DLSS 4, it's more like whether it is too expensive to do so and that's a factor of how capable the GPU is."  Last edited: Yesterday at 11:35 AM Biosnake Member Oct 25, 2017 14,284 Celentano said: Switch 2: the tech specs that Nintendo and Nvidia are not sharing How powerful is the custom T239 processor in the new console and how does it compare to PS4 and Steam Deck? Digital Foundry reports. www.eurogamer.net Click to expand... Click to shrink... So its a modern architecture PS4+ as many have said before, maybe now people will listen because its DF lol   Dekuman Member Oct 27, 2017 20,481 LuigiV said: You might need to wait on that one. It's a two hour long podcast that was only released 10 minutes ago. It's also worth pointing out that the podcast is available in audio form on most services including Spotify and probably some free ones. Don't know what your job is, but if you can get away with wearing headphones, then you could listen to it while you work. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Thank you;. I wasn't aware the podcast is on spotify, will catch it there. Definately want to help them with views/listens.  spineduke Member Oct 25, 2017 9,551 boldverine said: Indeed! People like to compare them hardware wise, and I have seen a ton of people saying the price of Switch 2 is high because the Steam Deck as better hardware for less money (???!???), but it seems like such an irrelevant point, because at the end of the day one allows you to so much more, while requiring quite some tinkering, and the other has better optimization and is more plug and play, so it's more about software than any thing else. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Isn't this outperforming the Deck from a performance perspective? Definitely running at a way smaller power profile at the least which makes it quite impressive.  Ombala Member Oct 30, 2017 2,473 Seems like it's gonna be a 30 fps machine for many AAA games.   Cronogear ▲ Legend ▲ Member Oct 27, 2017 4,850 Dekuman said: This discourse needs to end. Saw lots of saltiness online about this, there's a comparison to be made as a technical curiosity but these two products are not in competition, only in the minds of people who refuse to get a Switch 2 and need a reason to not get one. Click to expand... Click to shrink... No kidding. I had to leave the Steam Deck subreddit because it devolved into non-stop fanboy garbage.   Darkreaver Member Feb 16, 2024 608 Ombala said: Seems like it's gonna be a 30 fps machine for many AAA games. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I honestly think 40fps is going to be the focus. Which feels much closer too 60fps  jroc74 Member Oct 27, 2017 33,307 Biosnake said: So its a modern architecture PS4+ as many have said before, maybe now people will listen because its DF lol Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yeah. I was just about to respond to someone in another thread about this before this thread was made. All I'll say to some ppl is all games aren't made the same.  boldverine Member Jun 3, 2018 100 spineduke said: Isn't this outperforming the Deck from a performance perspective? Definitely running at a way smaller power profile at the least which makes it quite impressive. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It does look like it, for sure. It should be newer hardware, but that seems to matter pretty much nothing, the NVIDIA chip isn't all that great apparently, and there is also a much lower power limit, which does not help. I had much bigger hopes for it, but I really like to forget that NVIDIA really struggles at this kind of stuff ahah. But this is all just nerdy and speculative discussions, at the end of the day what matters is the games and how they run/look, which we can't really predict. Still the Steam Deck absolutely seems to be able to provide better raw performance then Switch 2, especially in handheld.  NSESN ▲ Legend ▲ Member Oct 25, 2017 27,385 Dekuman said: Can anyone summarize? at work and can't watch. Also" This discourse needs to end. Saw lots of saltiness online about this, there's a comparison to be made as a technical curiosity but these two products are not in competition, only in the minds of people who refuse to get a Switch 2 and need a reason to not get one. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I agree, Switch and Steam Deck are completely different markets. Deck wasnt a Switch Killer and neither Switch 2 will be a Deck killer   mugurumakensei Elizabeth, I’m coming to join you! Member Oct 25, 2017 12,530 boldverine said: Still the Steam Deck absolutely seems to be able to provide better raw performance then Switch 2, especially in handheld. Click to expand... Click to shrink... More specifically, our contention right now is that the docked Switch 2 delivers more than the Deck - but the jury is out on the mobile experience. Looking at third party games like Elden Ring and Final Fantasy 7, it's hard to believe that the Deck could deliver native 1080p with the same features and performance Switch 2 is delivering Click to expand... Click to shrink... ? They seem to be saying despite Deck clocking higher for handheld so far switch 2 has better real world performance  Simba1 Member Dec 5, 2017 5,860 Biosnake said: So its a modern architecture PS4+ as many have said before, maybe now people will listen because its DF lol Click to expand... Click to shrink... Nah, they are making conclusions based on 1st showing of 3rd party games, where most of them doesnt have even release date and in same time ignoring for instance that CyberPunk on Switch 2 is better than PS4 version...saying that, I cant wait comparison when some 3rd party are out.  jokkir Member Oct 25, 2017 8,962 Huh didn't know game share was more like streaming than download play   boldverine Member Jun 3, 2018 100 mugurumakensei said: ? They seem to be saying despite Deck clocking higher for handheld so far switch 2 has better real world performance Click to expand... Click to shrink... My comment is mostly about the handheld experience, and is speculative like I said. Mentioned in the Digital Foundry article: Switch 2 has a mooted 561MHz GPU clock and a 1.1GHz CPU, and based on a 20Wh battery with a minimum two hours battery life, it'll be sipping a maximum 10W of power during play - almost one third of Steam Deck's consumption. No matter how much more efficient the Switch 2 architecture may (or may not!) be, it's hard to believe that the Nintendo machine in handheld mode can best the Deck in terms of raw horsepower. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I much prefer to be wrong, if I'm biased one way is towards the Switch, not the Steam Deck. Optimization will also play a very big role here, for sure.  Mandos Member Nov 27, 2017 38,142 jokkir said: Huh didn't know game share was more like streaming than download play Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yeah developer interview confirmed it's based off wii-u tech in fact! Which is why outside of simple games it's usually the same screen   Vexii Member Oct 31, 2017 2,965 UK I kinda wish they'd pushed this back by a day or so to account for the info that just released today   Biosnake Member Oct 25, 2017 14,284 Simba1 said: Nah, they are making conclusions based on 1st showing of 3rd party games, where most of them doesnt have even release date and in same time ignoring for instance that CyberPunk on Switch 2 is better than PS4 version...saying that, I cant wait comparison when some 3rd party are out. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Like I said modern PS4+, it can and will do more than what a PS4 can as shown with CP2077. These conclusions make total sense with the evidence that they have.   GhostTrick Member Oct 25, 2017 12,075 spineduke said: Isn't this outperforming the Deck from a performance perspective? Definitely running at a way smaller power profile at the least which makes it quite impressive. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Docked, definitely. Undocked, that remains to be seen, but watt per watt, I expect Switch 2 to outperform it.  808s & Villainy Member Oct 27, 2017 45,970 Ombala said: Seems like it's gonna be a 30 fps machine for many AAA games. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Considering Cyberpunk is targeting 40fps, I don't know if we can say that for sure Mandos said: Yeah developer interview confirmed it's based off wii-u tech in fact! Which is why outside of simple games it's usually the same screen Click to expand... Click to shrink... Theoretically it should work well for any games that support split screen since the system is already rendering multiple viewpoints and already processing input data from multiple controllers/Switch's, but I don't know how much overhead the streaming aspects takes up   jroc74 Member Oct 27, 2017 33,307 Simba1 said: Nah, they are making conclusions based on 1st showing of 3rd party games, where most of them doesnt have even release date and in same time ignoring for instance that CyberPunk on Switch 2 is better than PS4 version...saying that, I cant wait comparison when some 3rd party are out. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I don't see anything wrong with that post. Bottom line, expectations should be kept in check until further analysis. I mean, better than PS4 is: PS4 Pro One X Series S Slotting anywhere near or in between those should be the expectation.  Ninman Member Oct 27, 2017 777 I think DF is being very modest, and that's the safe approach when discussing Switch 2 power. They could probably say, 'Yeah, the Switch 2 is a lot more capable than a PS4,' but there are so many uncertainties regarding the console that they don't want to risk making a claim that could put them on the spot if it's not met. I have no doubt in my mind that the Switch 2 is closer to this generation than to the last, but they are tempering expectations to stay on the mark   Dekuman Member Oct 27, 2017 20,481 Ninman said: I think DF is being very modest, and that's the safe approach when discussing Switch 2 power. They could probably say, 'Yeah, the Switch 2 is a lot more capable than a PS4,' but there are so many uncertainties regarding the console that they don't want to risk making a claim that could put them on the spot if it's not met. I have no doubt in my mind that the Switch 2 is closer to this generation than to the last, but they are tempering expectations to stay on the mark Click to expand... Click to shrink... Fair approach since they still don't have access to finished games to compare to. But from what i'm seein gon SF6, Switch 2 when using all of its features is a fair bit more powerful than the PS4 . The texture quality is way better, image isn't soft like PS4 and you can see detail like skin pores that's not seen on PS4. , i'm hearing some people commenting online it likely uses DLSS as well. Curious DF did not talk about that game considering it had a Nintendo Teehouse play session wiht lots of footage.  GhostTrick Member Oct 25, 2017 12,075 Dekuman said: Fair approach since they still don't have access to finished games to compare to. But from what i'm seein gon SF6, Switch 2 when using all of its features is a fair bit more powerful than the PS4 . The texture quality is way better, image isn't soft like PS4 and you can see detail like skin pores that's not seen on PS4. , i'm hearing some people commenting online it likely uses DLSS as well. Curious DF did not talk about that game considering it had a Nintendo Teehouse play session wiht lots of footage. Click to expand... Click to shrink... About that, it could be that Switch 2 version, at the moment, isn't using subsurface scattering. Hence why it looks more "detailled" compared to PS4 and PS5 version.   hardwire_TRX Member Feb 27, 2025 69 Ombala said: Seems like it's gonna be a 30 fps machine for many AAA games. Click to expand... Click to shrink... 808s & Villainy said: Considering Cyberpunk is targeting 40fps, I don't know if we can say that for sure Click to expand... Click to shrink... Key word "targeting". It remains to bee seen will achieve that target  Superking Member Oct 25, 2017 3,839 so.. - got confirmation that MP4 for S2 does indeed have improved textures. i KNEW the game looked better than just a mere resolution upgrade! - hogwarts being 720p on S2 but 1080p on ps4 is kind of disappointing, but....it still looks pretty damn good on S2 at least - so unlike what was reported, yakuzo 0 is 1080p/60 fps just like ps4 instead of 4k/60 fps. very disappointing, especially since isn't yakuza 0 originally a ps3 game? -did i miss it or did they not mention SF6's resolution? Vexii said: I kinda wish they'd pushed this back by a day or so to account for the info that just released today Click to expand... Click to shrink... what new info?  pswii60 Member Oct 27, 2017 28,585 The Milky Way It's difficult to compare directly to last gen consoles. It's apples and oranges. From a pure raster point of view it's not getting close to Xbox One X for example, but then you factor in AI upscaling, RT acceleration etc and there will be areas it is more aligned with current gen engines. Switch 2 likely better than Jaguar on the CPU front, and then you factor in the much faster IO. But all the same, if you have no interest in the handheld aspect, it's pretty depressing that we're comparing Switch 2 to a 2013 console at all - one that was pretty underwhelming at launch, from a CPU point of view at least. But merging their handheld and console business has been so successful for Nintendo, I don't blame them.  Last edited: Yesterday at 2:03 PM Friendly Bear Member Jan 11, 2019 3,267 I Don’t Care Where (Just Far) So in theory, the Ampere class tensor cores mean pretty much everything DLSS related except MFG is possible on Switch 2, but it will come down to frametime budget for whether a game uses DLSS or not?   BeI Member Dec 9, 2017 6,735 Superking said: - hogwarts being 720p on S2 but 1080p on ps4 is kind of disappointing, but....it still looks pretty damn good on S2 at least Click to expand... Click to shrink... I think they said in the video that PS4 is 900p with FSR1 compared to 720p on NS2, but NS2 may have looked better due to using a different type of upscaling.  KanjoBazooie ▲ Legend ▲ Avenger Oct 26, 2017 32,244 Chicago I really enjoy DF's measured speculation. Either way, come June we'll finally have more concrete answers. The price segment is a much watch. So many people don't seem to understand that tech is in a wired spot right now. Nothing is giving you Switch 2 level performance in this form factor for this price. Even DF says here that Nintendo exceeded expectations in some regard.  Vexii Member Oct 31, 2017 2,965 UK Superking said: what new info? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Mostly the confirmation that the controllers aren't Hall sensors, the initial public announcements defending the pricing, etc.   Omnistalgic Member Oct 27, 2017 9,983 NJ pswii60 said: It's difficult to compare directly to last gen consoles. It's apples and oranges. From a pure raster point of view it's not getting close to Xbox One X for example, but then you factor in AI upscaling, RT acceleration etc and there will be sold. Switch 2 likely better than Jaguar on the CPU front, and then you factor in the much faster IO. But all the same, if you have no interest in the handheld aspect, it's pretty depressing that we're comparing Switch 2 to a 2013 console at all - one that was pretty underwhelming at launch, from a CPU point of view at least. But merging they handheld and console business has been so successful for Nintendo, I don't blame them. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yeah since I don't play handheld unless someone is on the tv, I'm not impressed at all with how capable Switch or Steam Deck is on the go. I just don't play on the go, at all. I do work on the highway overnight collecting tolls, so maybe that might change, by comparing anything in 2025 to a PS4 is disappointing as a primary dock user. But the handful of Nintendo games I get a gen usually makes up for the weaker hardware.  Simba1 Member Dec 5, 2017 5,860 I mean we know Switch 2 specs, and its clearly stronger than PS4 (much stronger CPU, double RAM memory for games, much faster storage, stronger GPU in docked mode, 4K and 120FPS support, DLSS, RT, all modern features...), Switch 2 in docked mode should be somewhere between PS4 Pro and Series S, but for real comparison and side by side, we will need actual release of Switch 2 games instead making comparison with off screen from 1st trailers of games where some doesnt have even release date.  GalvoAg Member Oct 30, 2017 2,468 Dallas 808s & Villainy said: Considering Cyberpunk is targeting 40fps, I don't know if we can say that for sure Click to expand... Click to shrink... Wasn't that for performance mode? Will also be interesting to see if locked .   ArchAngel Uncle Works at Nintendo Avenger Oct 25, 2017 1,870 Side by side it looks like Nintendo removed/changed the lens flare in BotW compared to original Switch. I wonder if that hints at other changes as well, even if minor xD Damn I can't wait to play it!  Dekuman Member Oct 27, 2017 20,481 pswii60 said: It's difficult to compare directly to last gen consoles. It's apples and oranges. From a pure raster point of view it's not getting close to Xbox One X for example, but then you factor in AI upscaling, RT acceleration etc and there will be areas it is more aligned with current gen engines. Switch 2 likely better than Jaguar on the CPU front, and then you factor in the much faster IO. But all the same, if you have no interest in the handheld aspect, it's pretty depressing that we're comparing Switch 2 to a 2013 console at all - one that was pretty underwhelming at launch, from a CPU point of view at least. But merging their handheld and console business has been so successful for Nintendo, I don't blame them. Click to expand... Click to shrink... very pessimistic read based on their analysis, which is already quite conservative   mrtanooki Member May 9, 2024 694 ArchAngel said: Side by side it looks like Nintendo removed/changed the lens flare in BotW compared to original Switch. I wonder if that hints at other changes as well, even if minor xD Damn I can't wait to play it! Click to expand... Click to shrink... Would not be surprised if they made some changes to post processing. and i could also see them pushing out the draw distance a little.   pswii60 Member Oct 27, 2017 28,585 The Milky Way Dekuman said: very pessimistic read based on their analysis, which is already quite conservative Click to expand... Click to shrink... You think it'll outperform Xbox One X's GPU for raster? I'd be very surprised, but impressed. As I said, many here are comparing it to base PS4, never mind Xbox One X, so not sure why you've picked on me for being pessimistic.   Dekuman Member Oct 27, 2017 20,481 pswii60 said: You think it'll outperform Xbox One X's GPU for raster? I'd be very surprised, but impressed. As I said, many here are comparing it to base PS4, never mind Xbox One X, so not sure why you've picked on me for being pessimistic. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I think it will run current gen games not on last gen consoles for sure. Raster is kind of irrelvant these days unless you're a purist and don't want AI upsclaing. And tbh it's way too early to be making definitive comments about power at this point. DF doesn't have a lot of material to work with, and the games shown are all works in progress. So their conservatism is very warranted. Even then, it's already doing things better than a PS4. Historically, a game like Mario odyssey was 720p with frame dips in DF's direct feed analysis from E3 that year all the up to release when final game was 900p with more stable fps. So even Nintendo 1st Party games aren't immune from test builds being different, and DF doesn't yet AFAIK have access to these games that's not pixel counting press materials or someone else's video.  VanWinkle Member Oct 25, 2017 17,021 Simba1 said: I mean we know Switch 2 specs, and its clearly stronger than PS4 (much stronger CPU, double RAM memory for games, much faster storage, stronger GPU in docked mode, 4K and 120FPS support, DLSS, RT, all modern features...), Switch 2 in docked mode should be somewhere between PS4 Pro and Series S, but for real comparison and side by side, we will need actual release of Switch 2 games instead making comparison with off screen from 1st trailers of games where some doesnt have even release date. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Source for being much stronger CPU? Or explanation.   bsigg Member Oct 25, 2017 24,791 Their discussion about DLSS is pretty interesting. Is it not ready or is it so limited/performance impacting that devs are choosing not to use it in the launch window titles?