despair Member Oct 27, 2017 119 the last thing I can find is this Polygon article from January talking about Levine giving an interview at the end of the year where they still thought "Judas is tentatively scheduled to arrive on PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X/S, and PC sometime before March 31, 2025." and Take Two back in 2023 saying it'll definitely come out by then and they aren't afraid of delays. i don't think the game has actually been shown off in any way for over a year despite supposedly being so close to finished. there has not even been a single news update on the game's official website since last march. if it didn't make this date there's probably no way they release it near borderlands and gta. we're not seeing it anytime soon (if ever) are we ;_;  TapDancingFreak Member Dec 12, 2017 4,483 Charlotte, NC It looks so dated. Hoping the best for the devs   PucePikmin Member Apr 26, 2018 5,134 I'm going to guess some sort of scheduling thing related to GTA VI (holding it back so it can prop up late 2025 if GTA VI is delayed?) The game looked basically done, I don't think development is the issue.   Architect1 Member Apr 17, 2023 22 Anyone who worked at Irrational Games probably knows exactly what is up with Judas lol   BUNTING1243 Member Oct 25, 2017 3,258 ken levine is a low interest rates phenomenon   hasher Member Oct 10, 2020 896 I wouldn't be surprised if it never sees the light of day.   Sire Red Member Feb 11, 2025 80 France Guess we'll have to call a Priest on Judas   Swiggins was promised a tag Member Apr 10, 2018 12,455 Sire Red said: Guess we'll have to call a Priest on Judas Click to expand... Click to shrink... You're Breaking the Law with this one   Slackerchan Member Oct 25, 2017 1,682 Austin, TX From my uneducated, best-guess opinion, it'll be out this fiscal year if it ever comes out, probably after GTA 6 hits. I don't think Take Two is going to let them delay it past FY26, they've become too demanding of revenue targets to let developers under their wing really work on unique or lower-performing titles (I'm looking at you, Firaxis). The marketing blitz they did this time last year with press demos were already said to be playtests but according to the sites I checked that participated, it seems that they were doing well and could be close.   Z-Brownie Member Nov 6, 2017 4,282 I guess Levine is doing what Levine do ... rework games for a decade until it's on his terms of "done".   JigglesBunny Prophet of Truth Avenger Oct 27, 2017 35,639 Chicago Same thing that happens with all Ken Levine joints. He's hemming and hawing about the color of the player character's fingernails for hours at a time while his team begs him for some sort of direction, then he throws out all of the work they've done over the last six months because he was feeling peckish and there weren't any green M&Ms in the candy dish on his desk. Don't worry though, he'll choose a release date eventually and drill the entire team to put in 70 hour work weeks in the six months leading up to release so he'll have something technically playable, and it'll traffic in solid 9/10 reviews.  Fisty Member Oct 25, 2017 22,274 Get Rod Fergusson in the phone, we need to ship a game lol I'd imagine Judas is make-or-break for Levine, along with being a new IP and scoping out their tech side for iterative sequels, means probably an extended run up to Judas 1 that if successful could allow faster sequels. If you blow it on the first game, there's no chance for the IP and Levine probably won't even be able to fund an endless runner on iOS  Greywaren Member Jul 16, 2019 12,633 Spain Last thing I heard, everything about that development process was a bit of a mess, so I wouldn't expect it any time soon.   TapDancingFreak Member Dec 12, 2017 4,483 Charlotte, NC BUNTING1243 said: ken levine is a low interest rates phenomenon Click to expand... Click to shrink... Perfect   samred Amico fun conversationalist Member Nov 4, 2017 2,794 Seattle, WA It's still being made. I don't have a ton of insight beyond being aware of multiple people hired in the past couple of years who've indicated very soft affirmations of the game's continued development and forward trajectory. These ppl have given no indication of the game's completion % or release plans.   Roxas The Fallen Oct 28, 2017 4,715 Buenos Aires, Argentina The sheer idea that we might get Half Life 3 before Judas is insane. You'd think that if he launched the trailer and invited the press to play it he would've been more 'ready to go' than what he seemingly is, but alas, Levine gonna Levine   Snake Versus Member Oct 27, 2017 439 This fucking game will never ship.   Humanity Member Aug 31, 2019 14,051 This game was announced 3 years ago and people here are acting like it's Duke Nukem Forever or something.   Pyro God help us the mods are making weekend threads Member Jul 30, 2018 18,209 United States Narrative LEGOs is a great idea so hopefully this can actually release and be in a good state. jschreier said: Great write-up. I can't help but wonder that, even if this game were to come out and be amazing, would it be as relevant now? The games industry is in such a different place than it was in 2013. Looking at Dragon Age: Veilguard flopping makes me worry for general awareness of Judas despite Take-Two being the publisher.  SolidSnakex Member Oct 25, 2017 27,406 Roxas said: The sheer idea that we might get Half Life 3 before Judas is insane. You'd think that if he launched the trailer and invited the press to play it he would've been more 'ready to go' than what he seemingly is, but alas, Levine gonna Levine Click to expand... Click to shrink... The press getting hands-on time is interesting because from what I remember they only got to play Infinite a few months before it was released. Which would've meant that they were playing a part of the game that'd actually ship rather than the infamous E3 demo. But it sounds like Judas isn't even close to being done, so what the press may have played something that won't even exist in the game by the time it ships.  Clippy Member Feb 11, 2022 3,503 jschreier said: Can't believe I didn't read this till now. Absentee publisher + auteur that's prone to "dick[ing] around" until they need to deliver seems like a deadly combo.   closer Member Oct 25, 2017 5,295 I don't believe you, you're a liar, play it fucking loud, etc.   AuthenticM Son Altesse Sérénissime The Fallen Oct 25, 2017 34,732 jschreier said: I could have sworn that this article was published last year. It's been over three. Lord.  jschreier Press Sneak Fuck Verified Oct 25, 2017 1,244 Humanity said: This game was announced 3 years ago and people here are acting like it's Duke Nukem Forever or something. Click to expand... Click to shrink... It started development in 2014 with a target release date of 2017. While it hasn't quite reached Duke Nukem Forever's 14 years, it's getting close.   Ry. AVALANCHE Member Oct 10, 2021 3,488 the planet Zebes I really loved Bioshock, but that one idea was clearly all he had. Major corporations have this issue where they confuse the product made by a massive team to be the creative genius of a single individual. They do exist, but Levine is just not that guy. Great directors are either amazing managers, or talented creatives, but usually not both. Levine doesn't seem like he's either. My prediction is that this game (whenever it releases) will either be mid, or if interesting will still be filled with tropes. Hope I'm wrong tho!  Sande Member Oct 25, 2017 7,080 I'm not surprised it's in trouble, but I'm surprised it got such a push year-ish ago. It even got an early 2025 release window iirc. And then, nothing.   Nakenorm "This guy are sick" The Fallen Oct 26, 2017 26,676 Probably just Ken Levine being Ken Levine so not really surprising. Not really in any hurry to play cancel culture the game anyway   Tremendo Member Jun 9, 2024 390 Damn, forgot Levine existed until I saw this thread. His last game was Bioshock Infinite right? Thats 12 years ago!   Barrel Cannon It's Pronounced "Aerith" The Fallen Oct 25, 2017 10,958 I actually still believe it'll come out this year. And that it'll deliver a low 80 OC at bare minimum.   DJwest Member Oct 26, 2017 7,782 JigglesBunny said: Same thing that happens with all Ken Levine joints. He's hemming and hawing about the color of the player character's fingernails for hours at a time while his team begs him for some sort of direction, then he throws out all of the work they've done over the last six months because he was feeling peckish and there weren't any green M&Ms in the candy dish on his desk. Don't worry though, he'll choose a release date eventually and drill the entire team to put in 70 hour work weeks in the six months leading up to release so he'll have something technically playable, and it'll traffic in solid 9/10 reviews. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Damn   SolidSnakex Member Oct 25, 2017 27,406 Barrel Cannon said: I actually still believe it'll come out this year. And that it'll deliver a low 80 OC at bare minimum. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Jason laughed at the idea of it coming out this year. So Take-Two would have to pushed it out if that were the case.  Shaman Member Jan 18, 2024 3,176 Not expecting anything before 2027. Being dead quiet about a game is never a good indication :(   Humanity Member Aug 31, 2019 14,051 jschreier said: It started development in 2014 with a target release date of 2017. While it hasn't quite reached Duke Nukem Forever's 14 years, it's getting close. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Well then I stand corrected   ramenline Member Jan 9, 2019 1,634 we getting System Shock 3 before Judas   Hero_of_the_Day Avenger Oct 27, 2017 19,537 jschreier said: Bro, that article says the game started development 8 years prior. And the article is 3 years old. wut  Aliand Member Oct 28, 2017 922 Is it Bioshock 4 or is that something unrelated?   Lady Bow Member Nov 30, 2017 11,754 elenarie Game Developer Verified Jun 10, 2018 11,359 These things, they take time.   MadLaughter Avenger Oct 25, 2017 14,367 Fuzzy on the details but from what I remember: -He fired everyone at irrational for this -Everyone he started the new studio with quit under bad circumstances -the politics of bioshock infinite were sketch AF -the politics in the judas trailer look sketch AF (entire thing reeks of 'cancel culture', if you pay attention to the dialogue) I propose we move on as a community, and if it comes out and is good despite all that, we can all be pleasantly surprised together  Orayn Member Oct 25, 2017 14,046 CancelShock looks absolutely terrible.   Odinsmana Member Mar 13, 2019 3,527 MadLaughter said: Fuzzy on the details but from what I remember: -He fired everyone at irrational for this -Everyone he started the new studio with quit under bad circumstances -the politics of bioshock infinite were sketch AF -the politics in the judas trailer look sketch AF (entire thing reeks of 'cancel culture', if you pay attention to the dialogue) I propose we move on as a community, and if it comes out and is good despite all that, we can all be pleasantly surprised together Click to expand... Click to shrink... The other points are valid, but I don`t think he fired the people at Irrational. Didn`t 2K close the studio after he left?   Lunatious Member Dec 18, 2018 1,190 >What's going on with Ken Levine's Judas? Ken Levine. Odinsmana said: The other points are valid, but I don`t think he fired the people at Irrational. Didn`t 2K close the studio after he left? Click to expand... Click to shrink... He did. The decision to shut down Irrational - or rather, turn Irrational into a smaller studio and keeping only a handful of staff - was his.  Alek Games User Researcher Verified Oct 28, 2017 9,701 I don't really understand why people are so keen to be critical just because they can't seem to ship a game quickly. It'll be ready when it's ready. It's nice that they have the opportunity to make something without the often extreme time constraints that other games are under.  HellofaMouse Member Oct 27, 2017 8,229 jschreier said: they did a round of previews just last year though, which made me think the games getting close to being done   Hero_of_the_Day Avenger Oct 27, 2017 19,537 Alek said: I don't really understand why people are so keen to be critical just because they can't seem to ship a game. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Fixed that for you.  balohna Member Nov 1, 2017 5,548 I've heard he's hell to work with and his whole "close the successful studio so I can start again with a smaller studio" stunt put a bad taste in my mouth. I had been a BioShock Infinite defender (I think it's fun! Play it on hard.) but at this point I'm not really interested in what he does next. Especially since it looks like another game riding the BioShock wave from 18 years ago.   Jibberhack Member Oct 30, 2017 1,274 Ngl, the trailer for the game suggests that it's further along than I remembered, unless a lot of that is smoke and mirrors. It honestly could be delayed because game development goes that way sometimes. (See Fable)   ETPC Member Jan 28, 2025 16 Genuinely feel like this medium has grown far past a need for games directed by Ken Levine.   Alek Games User Researcher Verified Oct 28, 2017 9,701 Hero_of_the_Day said: Fixed that for you. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yeah very clever. And even if that were the case, so what? People act like they're entitled to the output. It's okay if they take a long time to ship. It's okay if they don't ship. It doesn't make Ken or the people that work there terrible people, bad developers, or anything like that. I assume he obviously wanted a scenario where he could take much more creative risk and creative control, and with that risk, carries serious implications on development timelines. My advice would be to just let them get on with it, and if/when they ship a game. Great. As others point out, they had previews for the game last year, so it definitely doesn't seem like it's not coming out. If it's previewing then it's in late stage production, beyond the point where you tend to see things like vision/creative pivots that tend to upend games.