Mickagau Member Dec 11, 2018 2,415 France So, we all know things are not currently too bright for SE : their biggest games did not too well, hurt a lot by some ps exclusivity deals. FF, once one of Japan biggest IP, is currently the shadow of its former self there as a result. There is currently a big restructuring happening with their new president to turn things over. Their support for Switch 1 was okayish but nothing special : You had the usual, smaller, Asano games (it begun with the DS so that is a guarantee nowadays) Some releases day 1 or close here and there like Neo Twewy, LiS, Romancing SaGa 2 remake, Trials of Mana etc, mostly smaller games Regarding their premium IP, it is not too hot. FF was basically ports of older game's remasters + a few smaller spinoffs. KH : I hope you like shitty cloud versions of ps2 remasters lol DQ is better. A very good port of a ps4 game (DQ11), DQ3 remake, Monsters 3...They all did great in Japan, their biggest market for DQ by far. But the lack of a brand new entry on the most popular system ever in Japan is such a wtf moment. Enter Switch 2. Will the system be a success? Hard to tell right now though every sales indicators we have are very good. In Japan especially. SE could really, REALLY, benefit from this potential success and dropping the bullshit exclusivities. They have already announced Bravely Default remaster and FF7 remake. Nate said Rebirth is coming. FF9 remake needs to be there day 1. So is FFT remakster. Hopefully 7 part 3 will be a day 1 release too with the momentum built. Ports of 14 and 16 could be nice. They need to reaclimate their Nintendo audience to FF big time. They need to win back their japanese audience too. That is a ton of people to sell your premium products to. And have in a few years FF17 as a multiplatform game releasing on Switch 2 too. For KH, release prior entries and then 4 day 1. For DQ, hopefully 12 will release when the system is at its peak. And avoid to repeat 11 release hurdle. Hopefully SE can course correct in a timely fashion and really benefit from the switch 2 momentum (I am pretty convinced the system will be very successful) What do you think Era ?  Transistor This isn't going to go the way you think Administrator Oct 25, 2017 40,902 Washington, D.C. I just hope they keep releasing games regardless of platform   Shinobido Heart Member Dec 23, 2017 10,006 Brave Fencer Musashi would be a nice NSO game I think... but as usual I prefer standalone releases.   Last edited: Yesterday at 11:44 AM Atom Member Jul 25, 2021 15,037 I hope they get to some of their back catalog like the Quiet Man and Left Alive as well. Lots of stuff they could use to pad out the time between big games.   Firemind Member Oct 25, 2017 16,463 I don't think SE really gives a shit except maximize their profits, so we'll see what Switch 2 numbers will bring in a post tariff world.   PlanetSmasher The Abominable Showman Member Oct 25, 2017 130,986 Transistor said: I just hope they keep releasing games regardless of platform Click to expand... Click to shrink... Pretty much. I don't think Square's audience can tank another 'ok now all our games are for THIS platform sorry guys' shift. They just need to release stuff on everything they can.  ConflictResolver Member Jan 1, 2024 4,123 Midgar Imagine FFIX Remake is a timed exclusive lol   JB2448 One Winged Slayer Member Oct 25, 2017 6,948 Florida Atom said: I hope they get to some of their back catalog like the Quiet Man and Left Alive as well. Lots of stuff they could use to pad out the time between big games. Click to expand... Click to shrink... You know what you're doing bringing up those games in particular. As far as games people actually want, Chrono Trigger and Xenogears need it. Hopefully they'll continue with Dragon Quest HD-2D remakes for IV-VI, and a Star Ocean: The Second Story R-style remake of Dragon Quest VII.  SlyCoug88 Member Jan 10, 2018 1,211 Their support on Switch 1 was like night and day compared to basically every Nintendo console since the SNES. I think with stronger hardware that will only continue to ramp up.   Hero One Winged Slayer Member Oct 25, 2017 8,632 Square Enix needs Nintendo Switch 2 more than the other way around, so its inevitable. Expect Rebirth, XIV, XV, and XVI ports at bare minimum in the first two years. Visions of Mana would have sold the best on Switch 2 if it was out. If development on XVII has started, it's surely going to be on S2 as well.  mopinks Member Oct 27, 2017 32,417 Shinobido Heart said: Brave Fencer Musashi would be a nice NSO game I think... but as usual I prefer standalone releases. Click to expand... Click to shrink... hard for me to envision a Sony Playstation Nintendo Switch Online app   ozumas Born to be Wise and Corrupted by Vengeance Member Dec 15, 2020 4,392 My (maybe controversial) opinion is that Square Enix have to release every new game to Switch 2. As much as I love great graphics, you can always scale down and up (to a certain degree). The Switch 2 has a decent hardware to get decent visual fidelity in 2025, the jump between PS5 and Switch is not that big compared to what the PS4 was to the Switch 1. The fact that FF7 Remake is being relesaed in The Switch 2 and Rebirth is potentially too give me hope because Japan is still a big market to Square Enix and the Switch 2 is going to be massive there, it would be dumb not releasing on Switch 2  Marano Member Mar 30, 2018 5,024 Rio de Janeiro I wonder if SE gets to a point where they don't even consider releasing a game if it isn't on the Switch 2 due to its hegemony in Japan. Easier said than done because perhaps KH4 or FXVII might not be able to run on the Switch 2 depending on how hard Square wants to push on those games.  LinkStrikesBack One Winged Slayer Member Oct 27, 2017 18,495 I think I got everything I wanted from square on switch 1 though. If anything, I hope that because they can now port style like the FFremake, that they don't feel like they have less need for the small scale projects. It's the small scale stuff I actually like from them  Shinobido Heart Member Dec 23, 2017 10,006 mopinks said: hard for me to envision a Sony Playstation Nintendo Switch Online app Click to expand... Click to shrink... We must use all of our strength to envision it happening. Perhaps we can will it into existence. :) To be real, I wouldn't be surprised if the source code for that game was lost.  Last edited: Yesterday at 12:07 PM PlanetSmasher The Abominable Showman Member Oct 25, 2017 130,986 ConflictResolver said: Imagine FFIX Remake is a timed exclusive lol Click to expand... Click to shrink... That sounds like an absolutely terrible business decision at this point, lol. Especially since the worldwide economic crisis going on right now means there's kinda no guarantee people will even be able to get Switch 2 consoles.  Marano Member Mar 30, 2018 5,024 Rio de Janeiro ozumas said: My (maybe controversial) opinion is that Square Enix have to release every new game to Switch 2. As much as I love great graphics, you can always scale down and up (to a certain degree). The Switch 2 has a decent hardware to get decent visual fidelity in 2025, the jump between PS5 and Switch is not that big compared to what the PS4 was to the Switch 1. The fact that FF7 Remake is being relesaed in The Switch 2 and Rebirth is potentially too give me hope because Japan is still a big market to Square Enix and the Switch 2 is going to be massive there, it would be dumb not releasing on Switch 2 Click to expand... Click to shrink... It is like you read my mind, my post right after yours is exactly about that but you expressed it nicely there. But dont you think it would be too late to change say KH4 for now?  OP OP Mickagau Member Dec 11, 2018 2,415 France PlanetSmasher said: Pretty much. I don't think Square's audience can tank another 'ok now all our games are for THIS platform sorry guys' shift. They just need to release stuff on everything they can. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yes, not saying they need to go from ps exclusivity to switch 2 exclusivity that would be dumb lol they need to go ascmultiplatform as possible but also embrace the current market where Nintendo is really strong and they could benefit from that.   Reflecting Sky Member Mar 17, 2024 2,394 SlyCoug88 said: Their support on Switch 1 was like night and day compared to basically every Nintendo console since the SNES. I think with stronger hardware that will only continue to ramp up. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Was about to say that. Heck, Dragon Quest XI being announced for the NX in itself was a very big deal, and one of the reasons why I instantly became interested. Had my doubts about it looking the way it did in the early preview, but that turned out to be unwarranted. Square Enix's support on Switch was already really, really good. I expect it to be even better on Switch 2.  KezayJS1 Member Apr 25, 2021 2,713 I just want a return of the Crystal Chronicles series as a dream request. Otherwise I too hope their Switch 2 output is substantial!   808s & Villainy Member Oct 27, 2017 46,127 it's overwhelmingly in their best interest to   Arklite Member Oct 27, 2017 3,940 Maybe I'm wrong, but i don't see winning back Japan via Switch 2 as important or impactful as just releasing everywhere at game launch. PC seems like the real game changer. The switch 2 also does not have the price advantage the Switch does. Why would someone interested in the next FF not pick it up on a similarly priced console that's more powerful? Meeting customers everywhere is the real key for Square.  PlanetSmasher The Abominable Showman Member Oct 25, 2017 130,986 Mickagau said: Yes, not saying they need to go from ps exclusivity to switch 2 exclusivity that would be dumb lol they need to go ascmultiplatform as possible but also embrace the current market where Nintendo is really strong and they could benefit from that. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I mean, one thing to keep in mind is the Switch 2 isn't the current market - at this point in time, it's a hypothetical future market. There is no inbuilt guarantee that it will be a runaway success on par with the original Switch. It'll do fine and shipments will certainly sell out at launch, but we just plain do not know if the majority of Switch owners are going to see the much higher price (for hardware and games) and the hardware changes as necessitating an upgrade. For all any of us know, the Switch 2 might be another "mostly just for big Nintendo fans" generation where the casual low-cost consumer market that floated the Wii and original Switch to absurd levels of success don't come along for the ride. Obviously, Square needs to hedge their bets and support the thing when they can, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're being at least somewhat cautious for the first year or two of the console's lifespan to gauge out the market and see if there's potential there. Focusing mostly on ports of PS4 games and the occasional PS5 game to see if there's any demand in the market for their kinds of games or not. And of course, any game that doesn't require top-of-the-line hardware (SaGa games, for example) to run will be on there without a second thought. In terms of new AAA games, I have a feeling KH4 will probably come out on PS and Switch 2 day and date and that's probably one of the main reasons why the game has gone dark for such a long time, and Dragon Quest being on everything at launch is a foregone conclusion. But beyond that, I feel like day one PC releases are what Square is really hungry to pursue.  Rahkeesh Member Jun 20, 2022 6,249 I think FFXVI is somewhat unlikely, its substantially more GPU demanding than Rebirth, developed on a custom engine, and kind of a dead end compared to Retrilogy being three games. Everything else in the OP is likely to happen. Arklite said: Maybe I'm wrong, but i don't see winning back Japan via Switch 2 as important or impactful as just releasing everywhere at game launch. PC seems like the real game changer. The switch 2 also does not have the price advantage the Switch does. Why would someone interested in the next FF not pick it up on a similarly priced console that's more powerful? Meeting customers everywhere is the real key for Square. Click to expand... Click to shrink... In Japan it kind of does, for the region-locked version.  fiendcode Member Oct 26, 2017 26,059 I think SE will be all in but they were pretty good on Switch 1 already tbh. I think they had a better upfront commitment too really. Switch prelaunch Dragon Quest X: Online Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age Dragon Quest Heroes I & II I am Setsuna Minna de Spelunker Project Octopath Traveler Switch 2 prelaunch Bravely Default: Flying Fairy HD Remaster Final Fantasy VII Remake: Intergrade more from Final Fantasy VII Remake Project   mrtanooki Member May 9, 2024 700 Square Enix gave good support to the original Switch though. It got pretty much every game it was capable of running.   Advance.Wars.Sgt. Member Jun 10, 2018 10,154 Square Enix never left Nintendo, only Nintendo's home consoles. It stands to reason Switch and Switch 2 would be better off than the likes of the GCN, Wii, and Wii U since those two platforms are at AT LEAST half handheld Nintendo.  OP OP Mickagau Member Dec 11, 2018 2,415 France ozumas said: My (maybe controversial) opinion is that Square Enix have to release every new game to Switch 2. As much as I love great graphics, you can always scale down and up (to a certain degree). The Switch 2 has a decent hardware to get decent visual fidelity in 2025, the jump between PS5 and Switch is not that big compared to what the PS4 was to the Switch 1. The fact that FF7 Remake is being relesaed in The Switch 2 and Rebirth is potentially too give me hope because Japan is still a big market to Square Enix and the Switch 2 is going to be massive there, it would be dumb not releasing on Switch 2 Click to expand... Click to shrink... I think that chase for cutting edge graphics on stronger and stronger hardwares is also another reason for SE current problems. That doesn't seem sustainable for them for their big IP. Scaling things back could help them too. And it is not like their games will suddenly look awful.   brinstar Member Oct 25, 2017 11,962 Switch got pretty much everything SE could run on it, as long as Switch 2 sells decently that should continue. I don't see any need to worry, SE already seems plenty committed to the platform.   Jakenbakin "This guy are sick" and Corrupted by Vengeance Member Jun 17, 2018 14,219 Give me Harvestella 2 >:( :( Or actually give me a new (good) Crystal Chronicles!  Kenai Member Oct 26, 2017 8,300 SE was actually one of the companies that were pretty good on the Switch, outside of mainline FF which did target specs outside of what the Switch could provide. I fully expect them to be all in on Switch 2 as much as they are able   Kalor Resettlement Advisor Member Oct 25, 2017 20,738 The Switch was already well supported by them. No reason that will change with the Switch 2.   DoctorPlayer MD "This guy are sick" Member Feb 4, 2021 2,685 Brazil I don't really care about Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts, so the Team Asano RPGs are all that I need and I'm pretty confident we'll have BD 3 and OT 3. Everything else is jusy extra. If they remade FF6 though..  lucancel Member Oct 30, 2017 1,757 Italy I want all yoship games on switch2 and dq12.   cw_sasuke Member Oct 27, 2017 29,610 First off we need 60fps Switch 2 updates for all HD 2D games. brinstar said: Switch got pretty much everything SE could run on it, as long as Switch 2 sells decently that should continue. I don't see any need to worry, SE already seems plenty committed to the platform. Click to expand... Click to shrink... This.   PlanetSmasher The Abominable Showman Member Oct 25, 2017 130,986 DoctorPlayer MD said: I don't really care about Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts, so the Team Asano RPGs are all that I need and I'm pretty confident we'll have BD 3 and OT 3. Everything else is jusy extra. If they remade FF6 though.. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Honestly I would not be shocked if Octopath is on ice for a while so they can figure out how to make a third game that doesn't just feel like an utter photocopy of the first two. OT2 really did not do very well at all and a third game that doesn't meaningfully, substantially change things up will probably continue that decay. Like I'm gonna be honest, if they're gonna do another Octopath it probably needs to have an entirely new graphical and art style. It cannot just be the same "low-animated sprites on blocky pixelated 3D backgrounds and lots of bloom" thing again.  Jencks Member Oct 25, 2017 9,081 They were good on Switch 1. Have to imagine they will show up again with Switch 2. We know DQ12 is probably gonna be there   Kahhhhyle Member Jun 8, 2021 3,038 I'm basically of the opinion that they need to for the reasons you outlined. They needed to be talking to Nintendo 3/4 years ago during the development of Switch 2 to make sure all their games coming now can land on it. Even if that means lowering their target fidelity to get their games to run there. PC, PS5, and Switch 2 are basically essential to their future  DoctorPlayer MD "This guy are sick" Member Feb 4, 2021 2,685 Brazil PlanetSmasher said: Honestly I would not be shocked if Octopath is on ice for a while so they can figure out how to make a third game that doesn't just feel like an utter photocopy of the first two. OT2 really did not do very well at all and a third game that doesn't meaningfully, substantially change things up will probably continue that decay. Like I'm gonna be honest, if they're gonna do another Octopath it probably needs to have an entirely new graphical and art style. It cannot just be the same "low-animated sprites on blocky pixelated 3D backgrounds and lots of bloom" thing again. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Give it 5 or 6 years and it'll do OK. They can keep improving on the visuals, but the identity of the game is tied to that artstyle and I can't see it being too different.  gamewhoopr Member Dec 10, 2018 613 Square-Enix (and a lot of publishers/developers, really) need the Switch 2 more than the other way around given the volatility in the video game market the past few years. We've also seen how beneficial (i.e. not very) it was hitching their wagon to PS5 with exclusivity. I have faith that the current Square-Enix will make smarter choices with the Switch 2. However, it needs to be said that Square-Enix's support for Switch, Kingdom Hearts aside, was about as good as one could ask for. Switch was the defacto home for HD-2D games like Live-A-Live, Triangle Strategy, and Octopath Traveler, and much of Square-Enix's other, smaller gems like Harvestella, Star Ocean 2nd remake, Tactics Ogre Reborn, Bravely Default II made their way to the system. Up until FFVII: Rebirth, I would actually consider that the publisher's best output over the generation. I'm pretty sure most Square-Enix games aside from Nier Automata (late port) actually sold best on Switch also, so I'm sure we'll see huge support for the successor system.  NSESN ▲ Legend ▲ Member Oct 25, 2017 27,453 I ask the same about Capcom.   Delaney Member Oct 25, 2017 3,797 But S-E was a main supporter of the Switch 1 and tried to release all the games it could run without compromising the quality of the port, except KH. It missed games, yes, but that's part of another conversation: if Switch 1/2 should be the target platform for their flagship titles. After the recent DQ3 and SO2 numbers, maybe they are finding out they don't extremely big AAAA experiences with cutting edge graphics for their next titles for them to succeed.   PlanetSmasher The Abominable Showman Member Oct 25, 2017 130,986 DoctorPlayer MD said: Give it 5 or 6 years and it'll do OK. They can keep improving on the visuals, but the identity of the game is tied to that artstyle and I can't see it being too different. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I think that's the problem. The longer they wait, the more SNES JRPG fans age out of gaming. That art style isn't exactly broadly appealing. It's specifically targeted to 90s gamers, and there are less and less of us playing JRPGs every single year.  Universal Acclaim Member Oct 5, 2024 1,850 Lol I hope they don't take exclusivity money from Nintendo that'd be more risky than PS. Ideally nothing and their games are cool enough to sell well.   Lucreto Member Oct 25, 2017 7,203 You will see more until next generation when Xbox and PS6 are released. Then we are back to where we currently are.   Mephissto Member Mar 8, 2024 1,015 All their games from this point onwards should probably be on NS2. I just hope the system manages Rebirth well so games on that scale are still viable for them to create.   Jibberhack Member Oct 30, 2017 1,287 As others have said, their Switch output was and continues to be really good. The only games that Switch didn't get were the most graphically intensive games. KH and FF. So, it's more that for those franchises to be more successful, they need to come to everything at the same time (PC, Xbox, PS5, and Switch 2). I don't see any reason not to expect ports of the FF games in due time, tbh. I don't know about KH tbh. Maybe they port them all to the Switch 2, but I'm not sure there would be a huge roi.   Busaiku Teyvat Traveler Member Oct 25, 2017 17,272 If they release real physical games, I'm there for Final Fantasy VII Remake project. But given that Bravely Default is a Game Key Card, I might be out. I got basically all their stuff on Switch too, so it's hugely disappointing.  CRIMSON-XIII Member Oct 25, 2017 6,916 Chicago, IL Their showing at the recent two Directs was not much. They had Dragon Quest 1+2 HD2D and recently the Bravely Default remaster. Oh I guess they did have FFVII Remake too. They could have easily shown Final Fantasy Tactics.  CRIMSON-XIII Member Oct 25, 2017 6,916 Chicago, IL Busaiku said: If they release real physical games, I'm there for Final Fantasy VII Remake project. But given that Bravely Default is a Game Key Card, I might be out. I got basically all their stuff on Switch too, so it's hugely disappointing. Click to expand... Click to shrink... I just think that however the Switch 2 is, the better place to play FFVIIR and the sequel is on PS5/Pro / PC. You are only missing the handhend aspect (unless you get a Portal). I just want to say that I personally enjoy the older FFs on handhend more. Like VII-IX Classic.