Red Kong XIX Member Oct 11, 2020 12,863 Can a PS6 Portable Be as Powerful as a PS5 by 2028? Click to expand... Click to shrink... KeplerL2 said: No, it's a 15W SoC on 3nm. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeak...er_says_the_portable_ps6_is_a_15w_soc_on_3nm/ Credit to Uzupedro  OP OP Red Kong XIX Member Oct 11, 2020 12,863 Quick reminder that DF also already heard about this portable device: View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh3lAfsKdrw   Toriko Member Dec 29, 2017 8,824 I thought Kepler was unreliable? Anyways a lot of Sony's reasons to work with AMD on their DLSS equivalent is as much for handheld as their next gen playstation. Cant wait to see how good the results are  LordHuffnPuff Doctor Videogames at Allfather Productions Verified Oct 25, 2017 3,083 webernet Can we get some context? Who is "Kepler?" This guy?   Max|Payne Member Oct 27, 2017 9,551 Portugal So it's more like a PPS4P   Amnixia ▲ Legend ▲ The Fallen Jan 25, 2018 11,651 So it the ps6 or a portable to acompay the ps6?   dom ▲ Legend ▲ Avenger Oct 25, 2017 12,259 Max|Payne said: So it's more like a PPS4P Click to expand... Click to shrink...   Freelance Brian Member Oct 25, 2017 2,107 I thought this thing was supposed to play PS5 games natively? Otherwise it's dead in the water because Sony can't support an entire new platform with its own software   cw_sasuke Member Oct 27, 2017 29,628 It doesnt need to be as powerful as the PS5 if its running games at a lower resolution/scaled down. Its basically gonna be their Series S while the regular PS6 would be the Series X. Though i really dont wanna know how much they gonna charge for it and how they gonna make BC work.  Shopolic Avenger Oct 27, 2017 7,997 I don't get it. Will Sony release two 10th gen consoles and one of them (home console) will be more powerful than PS5 and the other (portable) will be weaker than PS5? If it's true, I hope big differences goes to things like resolution, ray-tracing and... Not forcing developers to make big gameplay mechanics to run it on the handheld console.  Bulby Prophet of Truth Member Oct 29, 2017 5,884 Berlin Well duh.   Xando Member Oct 28, 2017 36,345 So basically they're making the switch 2 Maybe a bit more powerful but i don't see how that's working out for them  Darkstorne Member Oct 26, 2017 7,925 England I have to imagine cross-gen is here forever next-gen. With Series S as the lowest target, and respective handhelds aiming for that kind of ballpark too. Next-gen home consoles then being guaranteed 60+fps with lots of raytracing etc bells and whistles at 4k, but PS5 and Series S/X still being supported at 30fps and 1080p+. With both Sony and Microsoft looking to release a handheld next-gen, they may as well keep targeting current-gen consoles too. Otherwise handhelds just don't make sense to me.  J-Skee The Wise Ones Member Oct 25, 2017 12,961 ELI5 would it be capable of backwards capability with PS5 & PS4?   dobahking91 Member Oct 26, 2017 2,839 cw_sasuke said: It doesnt need to be as powerful as the PS5 if its running games at a lower resolution/scaled down. Its basically gonna be their Series S while the regular PS6 would be the Series X. Though i really dont wanna know how much they gonna charge for it and how they gonna make BC work. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Bingo !  Lkr Member Oct 28, 2017 11,899 Playstation Series S?   coolasj19 Member Oct 25, 2017 5,400 Houston, Texas Series S (Portable) Series X (Home) The Portable doesn't need to be stronger than the previous generation because it's running scaled down. It'll get its own profile. The hard backwards compatibility cutoff would be really funky though.  logash Member Oct 27, 2017 6,052 Xando said: So basically they're making the switch 2 Click to expand... Click to shrink... 3nm is a much more efficient chip so I do wonder how much more power they will push from it.   Soap Member Oct 27, 2017 18,557 If this is true, I really don't get the appeal. I'd rather just stick to the Switch or Deck since Sony don't releases enough of their own software for that level of compromise. The fact that people stick with Switch and its performance as long as they did was down to the quality of their games.   TitanicFall Member Nov 12, 2017 9,177 Shopolic said: I don't get it. Will Sony release two 10th gen consoles and one of them (home console) will be more powerful than PS5 and the other (portable) will be weaker than PS5? If it's true, I hope big differences goes to things like resolution, ray-tracing and... Not forcing developers to make big gameplay mechanics to run it on the handheld console. Click to expand... Click to shrink... A Portable system that will probably have a 1080p display and can probably run at 540p combined with PSSR wouldn't need to be as powerful as a PS5.  Koukalaka Member Oct 28, 2017 10,224 Scotland Freelance Brian said: I thought this thing was supposed to play PS5 games natively? Otherwise it's dead in the water because Sony can't support an entire new platform with its own software Click to expand... Click to shrink... Expecting a mass-market handheld to be able to match PS5 specs in a few years is highly ambitious.  HStallion Member Oct 25, 2017 69,107 Xando said: So basically they're making the switch 2 Maybe a bit more powerful but i don't see how that's working out for them Click to expand... Click to shrink... I don't think we see this for several more years so it could easily be much more powerful than The Switch 2 even if it's not matching a PS5  SwitchDeck Member Feb 5, 2025 290 I'm not sure I see the appeal of this over a handheld PC, unless of course Sony stop releasing their games on PC. Personally speaking of course, average consumer will differ I bet.   Adulfzen Member Oct 29, 2017 3,850 logash said: 3nm is a much more efficient chip so I do wonder how much more power they will push from it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Series S is probably the best outcome you could hope for given battery life, thermals, price etc Still gonna be really expensive as well.  GPU Member Oct 10, 2024 787 A dedicated portable system wont be targeting 4k output so it doesnt need to be as powerful as a PS5. But that just makes PS5 BC hard if not impossible. Would basically limit them to PS4 games for BC and games made or patched after they mandate devs support the hardware.  WhateverItTakes Member Oct 25, 2017 6,986 Lkr said: Playstation Series S? Click to expand... Click to shrink... That's the worry for me, crossgen will become eternal  jwk94 Member Oct 25, 2017 13,811 Though I understand that a significant portion of ps5 gamers are digital so dropping physical BC wouldn't be unwarranted, but how would this handle discs? Would it only be disc BC when docked?   bsigg Member Oct 25, 2017 24,814 Hardware is kinda whatever. The more important part of it is how are they going to handle getting games to scale to it, really specifically anything that came out before devs were given a profile/dev kit for the device. They're certainly not going the PSP/Vita route with bespoke titles so they'll have to have a way to force games to run at lower resolutions/settings for them to run on the device.   cw_sasuke Member Oct 27, 2017 29,628 jwk94 said: Though I understand that a significant portion of ps5 gamers are digital so dropping physical BC wouldn't be unwarranted, but how would this handle discs? Would it only be disc BC when docked? Click to expand... Click to shrink... Doubt there is gonna be disc BC - honestly people should be happy if there is any BC at all on the portable model. logash said: 3nm is a much more efficient chip so I do wonder how much more power they will push from it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... By the time this releases 3nm will be 5-6 year old as well. Dont think the users means that its gonna be 1:1 a Switch 2. Its probably gonna compete with Steamdeck 2 and Switch 2 OLED/Pro or whatever Nintendo release a couple years from now. There could be a jump in place from them as well if they Switch to a better node.  gofreak Member Oct 26, 2017 8,380 Freelance Brian said: I thought this thing was supposed to play PS5 games natively? Otherwise it's dead in the water because Sony can't support an entire new platform with its own software Click to expand... Click to shrink... You'd expect a subset of ps5 builds. So when this comes out devs will have the option to make a build/profile for this out of their existing ps5/6 build. Anything that doesn't have a local build would be streamable ala the current Portal. It won't be its own platform.  Clefargle One Winged Slayer Member Oct 25, 2017 15,189 Limburg HStallion said: I don't think we see this for several more years so it could easily be much more powerful than The Switch 2 even if it's not matching a PS5 Click to expand... Click to shrink... Interesting because by that time the steam deck 2 or pro should be out and I wonder how they will stack up   logash Member Oct 27, 2017 6,052 WhateverItTakes said: That's the worry for me, crossgen will become eternal Click to expand... Click to shrink... With how expensive games are to make and the fact that kids are playing games that run on potatoes, I think that ship has sailed. Whether PS6 ships with a handheld option or not, cross gen will be longer than it has ever been, including this gen.   bionic77 Member Oct 25, 2017 32,969 Hopefully it's not insanely expensive and has a Switch like dock to make it a real hybrid. But I would definitely sell my PS5 for this. For me hybrid gaming is just better. I am sure the screen is going to be really nice.  Quinton Staff Writer at TheGamer Verified Oct 25, 2017 22,772 Midgar, With Love logash said: With how expensive games are to make and the fact that kids are playing games that run on potatoes, I think that ship has sailed. Whether PS6 ships with a handheld option or not, cross gen will be longer than it has ever been, including this gen. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Yep  kakteen Member Apr 9, 2024 848 So I will probably just buy portable ps6 and play other games on my ps5. If anything told me, cross gen until 2030 and the console will cost 500€ more than release date   R3ndezvous Member Dec 17, 2024 1,027 Given the numerous first-party ports to PC, I'd say there's a good merit for a PS5 Portable to have their own "PS5" version of those respective ports, given that Sony already had to scale back some game titles across various range of hardware (that doesn't mean its plug and play ofc and it'll run Sony's OS and APis). Nonetheless, given the Switch 2's existence, an alternative console platform for the PS ecosystem is valid, instead of a portable system with its own games. I assume it's going to be UDNA1 based, given the timelines for next generation. AMD already has an APU with 4x Zen 5 + 8x Zen 5c cores on the HX 370, which has an 18CU RDNA 3.5 GPU made on TSMC N4P, which is better than the Steam Deck at 15W, but not generationally better afaik. I'm curious how the Ryzen Max 385, 8x Zen 5 + 32CU RDNA 3.5 performs compares to PS5 equivalent PC settings and how much it'll scale down in terms of power. I think those two chips today are somewhat of a ballpark estimate of what "power" you could achieve with AMD now, without leveraging FSR4 and upscaling. Apple's M4 has got quite a big leap by being on TSMC's N3E coming from TSMC's 5nm.  s y Member Nov 8, 2017 10,739 Sony managed to sell almost 2 million PlayStation portals(about half the steam deck's LTD) and that can't even run games natively and people are wondering what the appeal is lmao   Fabs Member Aug 22, 2019 2,615 There was never any chance this natively ran PS5 games. Xbox has a slighty easier road only because the Series S exists.  AmFreak Member Oct 26, 2017 3,122 Bandwidth alone will bite you (like everyone else) in the ass. For PS5 bandwidth you would need a 384bit interface with the fastest currently available lpddr memory. All current handhelds have a 128bit interface.  Dekuman Member Oct 27, 2017 20,584 Or they can wait, but maybe they don't feel they have time. This does highlight Switch 2 is pretty advanced and cutting edge. Yes, it could be better, but any consumer product could be better, even premium ones, and it's always a trade off between cost and performance/features.  FantasticToma Member Sep 21, 2024 1,826 Germany Ok, this is now the 2nd thread today where someone just throws out the name "Kepler" and it refers to the wrong person. Pardon me for being a "nerd", but EVERYONE should know that Johannes Kepler was a famous astronomer. One of his achievements was the discovery that planets don't revolve around the sun in circles, but ellipses. People also ought to know from physics-lessons in school about the Kepler laws. Sorry, but it really irked me the wrong way that more than one person here refered to "Kepler" and meant some internet rando instead of one of the most famous scientists in human history. Johannes Kepler - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org   Pido Member Oct 30, 2017 327 If it can play astrobot I'll probably buy it   2Blackcats Member Oct 26, 2017 17,355 Freelance Brian said: I thought this thing was supposed to play PS5 games natively? Otherwise it's dead in the water because Sony can't support an entire new platform with its own software Click to expand... Click to shrink... I think the idea would be that it will play new PS5 games in a similar way that the S & X are compatible with each of other. Most older games wouldn't get support I guess  Besiktas Member Sep 2, 2024 801 It will run native games via advancements on machine learning front. Even 540p will be fine with transformers probably making that native 1080p. RDNA4 magic most likely