Narratives that can only exist in video game media
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Stumbled upon this list on Backloggd, and was intrigued to hear if anyone has any other games that could be applicable or any takes on the ones already mentioned?
'Narratives that can only exist in video game media' a list of games by Paggi | Backloggd
Its somewhat normalized that narrative excellence in games means mirroring books and cinema Not only thats far from the truth but some games have used the media they represent to achieve a whole new level of writing
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List is:
OneShot
Nier: Automata
Shadow of the Colossus
The Silver Case
Undertale
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony
EarthBound
INSIDE
Spec Ops: The Line
Death Stranding
Alan Wake II
The Stanley Parable
Return of the Obra Dinn
Portal
Immortality
Legend of Mana
Busaiku
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Does the first Bioshock go here?
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Glasfrut said:
Does the first Bioshock go here?
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Ooo, yeah, that's a good pick!
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Glasfrut said:
Does the first Bioshock go here?
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I think you could argue for almost any game to be on this list. The second there is gameplay, there is narrative
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Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
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Doki Doki Literature Club
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Probably every Daniel Mullins game
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Well, technically yes, but that's not as fun for discussion lol
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I'm not sure if the entire story counts but a moment in Brothers: A tale of Two Sons cannot be accomplished outside of video games.
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999 on DS has you hooked until the last 10% or maybe even 5% of the game where the rug is literally pulled out from under you and you are forced to think about every action you as this external detached player character has made throughout the story seemingly while only acting out as the protaganist.
Gone Home is by rights a "spooky house and you're all on your own" story at first but it transforms into a beautiful story about youth, family and discovering one's true self.
Mario and Luigi Bowser's Inside Story explores what makes the big man tick. Like, literally.
Killer 7 on the outside and at the outset is a bonkers third person shoot-em-up and puzzle infused cel shaded action game but t's more a visual novel that's a really interesting character study of a person's personality. Or how it might become more than just singular.
RTS games by and large that try and categorise you as someone in-game never sat well with me. I quite liked being more of the invisible hand guiding the events or having the entire campaign come crashing down on me like it's that movie Downfall and I need to yell at everybody,
Semi-recently. I can't not mention 1000x Resist. I even was able to stomach voice acting in a video game for once. I'm as surprised as anybody.
Play these games.
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Didn't people like the Nier Automata anime? I haven't watched it but I heard it did a decent enough job. What about that story can only exist in a video game? I guess the final bit to an extent but if anything, I'd say the first Nier is a much better pick for that, given it's use of the NG+ mechanic.
Edit: Thinking about this list further, I think it's title is doing it a disservice. It should have just been "games that use game specific elements to enhance the narrative" or "narratives made better by being in a game" or something.
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Why is Shadow of the Colossus on that list? Haven't played it in almost two decades :')
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Ashes of Dreams said:
Didn't people like the Nier Automata anime? I haven't watched it but I heard it did a decent enough job. What about that story can only exist in a video game?
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Its less the main narrative and everything else supporting it. Game mechanics given context in ways that are lost outside the medium.
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Ashes of Dreams said:
Didn't people like the Nier Automata anime? I haven't watched it but I heard it did a decent enough job. What about that story can only exist in a video game?
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The answer to that is a spoiler and it's also partly due to the fact you can literally come away from it having completely different interpretations of the story, and exactly how it was resolved, compared to another person.
I don't fully understand the over-arching thrust of the game's final act/ending but I also don't entirely mind that fact, either. Whereas in a standard three-act story you know what happened at least happened to the other people who experienced the same story as you.
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southwest said:
"Would you kindly" would not work anywhere near as well in a linear storytelling medium where the audience isn't controlling the protagonist.
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As much as I love V3, I don't see why an anime would be impossible. The 1st twist can work with unreliable camera angles, and the 2nd twist doesn't really rely on being a video game at all.
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blueredandgold said:
The answer to that is a spoiler and it's also partly due to the fact you can literally come away from it having completely different interpretations of the story, and exactly how it was resolved, compared to another person.
I don't fully understand the over-arching thrust of the game's final act/ending but I also don't entirely mind that fact, either. Whereas in a standard three-act story you know what happened at least happened to the other people who experienced the same story as you.
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I'm very familiar with Nier Automata, don't worry. It's just the anime I haven't seen. My point was the story seems to work outside the context of games, so the title of the list is a bit exaggerated.
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Mr Evil 37 said:
"Would you kindly" would not work anywhere near as well in a linear storytelling medium where the audience isn't controlling the protagonist.
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I really do not agree at all that that cannot exist outside of video games.
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I've soured on Jonathan Blow, but the standard ending of Braid is pretty good for this.
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Driver San Francisco
It's a detective/cop story, but without the "Shift" element of the gameplay, it wouldn't be nearly as fun as it is. And I don't think it would be easily adaptable to other mediums, it works way better as a game
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Kromis said:
Why is Shadow of the Colossus on that list? Haven't played it in almost two decades :')
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At some point you may get a feeling that you are not the hero of the story, as the game suggested at the start, and start feeling really bad by progressing it.
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southwest said:
I really do not agree at all that that cannot exist outside of video games.
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Maybe not CANNOT exist, but I don't think it would work anywhere near as well. It's a twist that is almost entirely predicated on the audience having agency in the story.
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JakeNoseIt said:
I think you could argue for almost any game to be on this list. The second there is gameplay, there is narrativeClick to expand...
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That's true but most games don't lean on the advantages of the medium and the story they tell is confined to be "cinematic".
I would add Blue Prince to the list. It's storytelling is wonderfully interactive.
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I want to say Last of Us Part 2 but the TV show has been stellar so far so who knows
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Blue Prince is a good example, as the roguelike element is a canon part of the narrative.
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The Last Guardian
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The entire Zero escape series
The whole Ai the somnium files series
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So does this jsut mean games where they tell the story during gameplay or the fact that you are playing the MC enchances the story? Otherwise I don`t really understand why something like SotC or Inside is on the list? Does something like What Remains of Edith Finch count in that case?
Anyway. Here as some games with storytelling methods that only work in a game:
Doki Doki Literature Club
Games like The Golden Idol series and the Rootrees Are Dead.
Road 96
Her Story
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Mr Evil 37 said:
Maybe not CANNOT exist, but I don't think it would work anywhere near as well. It's a twist that is almost entirely predicated on the audience having agency in the story.
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Maybe. But the thread and list is specifically asking for narratives that cannot exist outside of video games.
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Persona, to some extent? The freeform nature of the social links and social skills is pretty video game specific. I do wish the main story would better reflect your social links and romances though.
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Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Dark Souls
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Came here to say Death Stranding but that's already on list.
I'll add Inscryption.
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Bulgowski said:
Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Dark Souls
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Those games have no narratives
Anyway I pick GTA and RDR
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southwest said:
Maybe. But the thread and list is specifically asking for narratives that cannot exist outside of video games.
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I think there's nuance to any conversation like this, but I personally think a game like BioShock which engages directly with the idea that it is a game and the audience is actively controlling the characterqualifies for this discussion. At no point when you're watching a movie do you feel that you are controlling the protagonist. I'm sure there is a way to adapt the twist to a movie but it would need to be presented very differently to the point where the core message would probably be different.
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Narratives that can only exist in video game media
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Stumbled upon this list on Backloggd, and was intrigued to hear if anyone has any other games that could be applicable or any takes on the ones already mentioned?
'Narratives that can only exist in video game media' a list of games by Paggi | Backloggd
Its somewhat normalized that narrative excellence in games means mirroring books and cinema Not only thats far from the truth but some games have used the media they represent to achieve a whole new level of writing
backloggd.com
List is:
OneShot
Nier: Automata
Shadow of the Colossus
The Silver Case
Undertale
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony
EarthBound
INSIDE
Spec Ops: The Line
Death Stranding
Alan Wake II
The Stanley Parable
Return of the Obra Dinn
Portal
Immortality
Legend of Mana
Busaiku
Teyvat Traveler
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Does the first Bioshock go here?
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Glasfrut said:
Does the first Bioshock go here?
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Ooo, yeah, that's a good pick!
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Eternal Darkness
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Disco Elysium
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Glasfrut said:
Does the first Bioshock go here?
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Why?
JakeNoseIt
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I think you could argue for almost any game to be on this list. The second there is gameplay, there is narrative
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Soma
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Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
The House in Fata Morgana
Doki Doki Literature Club
Holundrian
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Probably every Daniel Mullins game
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JakeNoseIt said:
I think you could argue for almost any game to be on this list. The second there is gameplay, there is narrativeClick to expand...
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Well, technically yes, but that's not as fun for discussion lol
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I'm not sure if the entire story counts but a moment in Brothers: A tale of Two Sons cannot be accomplished outside of video games.
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Spoilers OK if marked?
999 on DS has you hooked until the last 10% or maybe even 5% of the game where the rug is literally pulled out from under you and you are forced to think about every action you as this external detached player character has made throughout the story seemingly while only acting out as the protaganist.
Gone Home is by rights a "spooky house and you're all on your own" story at first but it transforms into a beautiful story about youth, family and discovering one's true self.
Mario and Luigi Bowser's Inside Story explores what makes the big man tick. Like, literally.
Killer 7 on the outside and at the outset is a bonkers third person shoot-em-up and puzzle infused cel shaded action game but t's more a visual novel that's a really interesting character study of a person's personality. Or how it might become more than just singular.
RTS games by and large that try and categorise you as someone in-game never sat well with me. I quite liked being more of the invisible hand guiding the events or having the entire campaign come crashing down on me like it's that movie Downfall and I need to yell at everybody,
Semi-recently. I can't not mention 1000x Resist. I even was able to stomach voice acting in a video game for once. I'm as surprised as anybody.
Play these games.
Thank me later.
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Dragon's Dogma, kinda sorta.
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Didn't people like the Nier Automata anime? I haven't watched it but I heard it did a decent enough job. What about that story can only exist in a video game? I guess the final bit to an extent but if anything, I'd say the first Nier is a much better pick for that, given it's use of the NG+ mechanic.
Edit: Thinking about this list further, I think it's title is doing it a disservice. It should have just been "games that use game specific elements to enhance the narrative" or "narratives made better by being in a game" or something.
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Why is Shadow of the Colossus on that list? Haven't played it in almost two decades :')
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Ashes of Dreams said:
Didn't people like the Nier Automata anime? I haven't watched it but I heard it did a decent enough job. What about that story can only exist in a video game?
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Its less the main narrative and everything else supporting it. Game mechanics given context in ways that are lost outside the medium.
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Ashes of Dreams said:
Didn't people like the Nier Automata anime? I haven't watched it but I heard it did a decent enough job. What about that story can only exist in a video game?
Click to expand...
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The answer to that is a spoiler and it's also partly due to the fact you can literally come away from it having completely different interpretations of the story, and exactly how it was resolved, compared to another person.
I don't fully understand the over-arching thrust of the game's final act/ending but I also don't entirely mind that fact, either. Whereas in a standard three-act story you know what happened at least happened to the other people who experienced the same story as you.
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southwest said:
"Would you kindly" would not work anywhere near as well in a linear storytelling medium where the audience isn't controlling the protagonist.
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As much as I love V3, I don't see why an anime would be impossible. The 1st twist can work with unreliable camera angles, and the 2nd twist doesn't really rely on being a video game at all.
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blueredandgold said:
The answer to that is a spoiler and it's also partly due to the fact you can literally come away from it having completely different interpretations of the story, and exactly how it was resolved, compared to another person.
I don't fully understand the over-arching thrust of the game's final act/ending but I also don't entirely mind that fact, either. Whereas in a standard three-act story you know what happened at least happened to the other people who experienced the same story as you.
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I'm very familiar with Nier Automata, don't worry. It's just the anime I haven't seen. My point was the story seems to work outside the context of games, so the title of the list is a bit exaggerated.
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Mr Evil 37 said:
"Would you kindly" would not work anywhere near as well in a linear storytelling medium where the audience isn't controlling the protagonist.
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I really do not agree at all that that cannot exist outside of video games.
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Mass Effect.
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I've soured on Jonathan Blow, but the standard ending of Braid is pretty good for this.
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Driver San Francisco
It's a detective/cop story, but without the "Shift" element of the gameplay, it wouldn't be nearly as fun as it is. And I don't think it would be easily adaptable to other mediums, it works way better as a game
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Kromis said:
Why is Shadow of the Colossus on that list? Haven't played it in almost two decades :')
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At some point you may get a feeling that you are not the hero of the story, as the game suggested at the start, and start feeling really bad by progressing it.
Mr Evil 37
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southwest said:
I really do not agree at all that that cannot exist outside of video games.
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Maybe not CANNOT exist, but I don't think it would work anywhere near as well. It's a twist that is almost entirely predicated on the audience having agency in the story.
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JakeNoseIt said:
I think you could argue for almost any game to be on this list. The second there is gameplay, there is narrativeClick to expand...
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That's true but most games don't lean on the advantages of the medium and the story they tell is confined to be "cinematic".
I would add Blue Prince to the list. It's storytelling is wonderfully interactive.
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I want to say Last of Us Part 2 but the TV show has been stellar so far so who knows
Homura
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Blue Prince is a good example, as the roguelike element is a canon part of the narrative.
Bucca
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The Last Guardian
404LinkNotFound
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The entire Zero escape series
The whole Ai the somnium files series
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So does this jsut mean games where they tell the story during gameplay or the fact that you are playing the MC enchances the story? Otherwise I don`t really understand why something like SotC or Inside is on the list? Does something like What Remains of Edith Finch count in that case?
Anyway. Here as some games with storytelling methods that only work in a game:
Doki Doki Literature Club
Games like The Golden Idol series and the Rootrees Are Dead.
Road 96
Her Story
southwest
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Mr Evil 37 said:
Maybe not CANNOT exist, but I don't think it would work anywhere near as well. It's a twist that is almost entirely predicated on the audience having agency in the story.
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Maybe. But the thread and list is specifically asking for narratives that cannot exist outside of video games.
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Persona, to some extent? The freeform nature of the social links and social skills is pretty video game specific. I do wish the main story would better reflect your social links and romances though.
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Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Dark Souls
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Came here to say Death Stranding but that's already on list.
I'll add Inscryption.
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Bulgowski said:
Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Dark Souls
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Those games have no narratives
Anyway I pick GTA and RDR
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southwest said:
Maybe. But the thread and list is specifically asking for narratives that cannot exist outside of video games.
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I think there's nuance to any conversation like this, but I personally think a game like BioShock which engages directly with the idea that it is a game and the audience is actively controlling the characterqualifies for this discussion. At no point when you're watching a movie do you feel that you are controlling the protagonist. I'm sure there is a way to adapt the twist to a movie but it would need to be presented very differently to the point where the core message would probably be different.
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