[Automaton] Dynasty Warriors Origins’ gay undertones were kind of an accident, series producer admits
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Dynasty Warriors Origins’ gay undertones were kind of an accident, series producer admits - AUTOMATON WEST
According to Dynasty Warriors Origins producer Tomohiko Sho, the game's homoerotic lines weren't entirely intentional.
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If you found yourself thinking "Were musou games always so homoerotic?" or "Why does Lu Bu want to make me his?" while playing the franchise's latest AAA entry Dynasty Warriors Origins – you're probably not alone. In fact, even the game's producer himself, Omega Force's Sho Tomohiko, admits to being caught off guard by how fruity some of the lines in there ended up. He recently addressed the topic in an unusual three-way discussion with Denfaminicogamer and 4chan founder Hiroyuki Nishimura.
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Sho: That BL vibe was… not something I intended at all. Honestly, I'd say, "Sorry, I wasn't keeping a close enough eye on things."
Hiroyuki:
So you're saying that if you're not watching carefully, things just naturally veer off into BL?Sho:
I'm not saying the team did anything wrong, of course, but honestly speaking – yeah, that's kind of what happened. I came up with the core outline and worldbuilding for the game, and we were aligned on major points. However, I left the actual scenario to the writing team.Click to expand...
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Sho mentions having a "Wait, what? moment when playing Dynasty Warriors Origins voiced for the first time, as the BL fanservice was "beyond his expectations." However, he clarifies that Omega Force's team didn't make these choices on a whim, but after considering what longtime musou fans would like – and they were on the mark it seems, as Sho mentions that there were plenty of fans who loved it.
On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones. "If we do a sequel, I think I'll personally check all the text. Although the team will probably hate that."
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PlanetSmasher
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I'm gonna be honest, it made the game better. I hope they don't swing hard in the other direction for the next game out of embarrassment.
Lord Vatek
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Cowards. If you tap into the BL fanbase, you own that shit.
LordGorchnik
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DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF THE BL FANBASE?
I am not one of them but those folks throw hard $$$$ at anything with it haha.
Fodder Aplenty
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I thought Moot was the 4chan founder? And why would he do an interview with a person like that anyway?
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wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
pronk
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Yeah it made the game way better, if anything they should go harder on it
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Fodder Aplenty said:
I thought Moot was the 4chan founder? And why would he do an interview with a person like that anyway?
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4chan is just a side gig for hiro really
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Them making a conscious effort to avoid queer subtext and tone in future entries is coward shit. So fucking lame.
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"However, he clarifies that Omega Force's team didn't make these choices on a whim, but after considering what longtime musou fans would like – and they were on the mark it seems, as Sho mentions that there were plenty of fans who loved it."
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There we go, see, you get it. People were super thrilled by the more overt BL in Origins, well done!
"On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones. "If we do a sequel, I think I'll personally check all the text. Although the team will probably hate that."
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And now you've just thrown it all away! Well done!
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Starphanluke
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The way this kind of makes me want to play the game. Annoying that they're backing down, though.
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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It's super gay. Like "if you replaced every character with a girl, it'd be a harem anime" gay. It's the best part lol
Edit: Sad to see he's a huge coward though. "Everyone liked it, but fuck that, because reasons!"
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what is BL exactly?
nded
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So the producer wasn't expecting it but it sounds like the writing team knew exactly what they were doing.
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Most of my interest in this game comes from the fact that I've been told there are gay undertones, so I think this worked out for them.
HStallion
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Don't pursue Lu Bu. He's going to pursue you
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Linus815 said:
4chan is just a side gig for hiro really
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But he owns it, and has owned it for 10 years. He's responsible for it. I don't think we can just hand wave his connection here.
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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boy love or yaoi
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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Your entire social link with Lu Bu is basically him actively being like "YOU ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO BEAT ME BUT YOU ARE ALMOST STRONG ENOUGH AND THAT MEANS WE ARE MARRIED".
SirKai
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what is BL exactly?
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Boy Love, a romantic sub-genre of manga.
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On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones
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boooooo
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PlanetSmasher said:
I'm gonna be honest, it made the game better. I hope they don't swing hard in the other direction for the next game out of embarrassment.
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On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones. "If we do a sequel, I think I'll personally check all the text. Although the team will probably hate that."
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If that's the case they should just not make a sequel tbh.
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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It's usually male on male relationships written for women.
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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It's not "kinda" gay. It's SUPER gay.
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Cantaim said:
It's usually male on male relationships written for women.
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That's a thing?
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zoodoo said:
That's a thing?
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Are you surprised? It's a massive, massive slice of the fanfic sphere.
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No don't fuckin tone it down you fuckin coward what???
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Lord Vatek said:
Cowards. If you tap into the BL fanbase, you own that shit.
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I have to say, seeing people bitch about playing as a woman in GTA6 had me thinking how funny it'd be if Rockstar gave people a choice to replace Lucia with a guy named Luke or something and with no other changes to the game but also no further explanation prior to launch, with the characters being in a relationship either way.
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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Boy kissing baby~
zoodoo said:
That's a thing?
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95% of Gacha games is written with super blatant girlkisser bait and "Yuri undertones" for men. This is like that, except unintentional on their part.
In the anime community, any popular anime that likely has majority men and useless women characters probably has a big BL community of artists under its belt, both because it's an underserved market but also because, most often, the relationships between men are written infinitely better than whatever female character the protag has as a love interest.
L Thammy
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It's probably accurate to the period, honestly.
L Thammy
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Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu used to all sleep in the same bed.
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DyCy said:
For context: 呂布 is pronounced as Lü Bu, one of the strongest and mightiest warriors in the Romance of the Three Kingdom.
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Just saying that Rise of the Ronin has actual implied gay sex scenes, since anyone can do every romance option.
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zoodoo said:
That's a thing?
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I mean, everything under the sun "is a thing". It's a massively successful subgenre.
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What, so it was a mistake and will be fixed in the sequel? lol
Atom
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Don't course correct just give the player a character creator next time ffs. Dial up the self insert stuff and you'll probs get even more positive buzz.
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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Yes, all the characters seem obsessed with the protagonist in Dynasty Warriors Origins.
Lord Vatek
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Magister Xehanort said:
Yes, all the characters seem obsessed with the protagonist in Dynasty Warriors Origins.
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"Accident" my ass.
GravaGravity
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Brother you stumbled into the bisexual motherload you can't bury the mine now
JJD
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Hahaha as someone who is not used to musou games I loved it!
It was just fun
Dinoegg_96
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Honestly, that tends to happen a lot in anime.
MidasTouch
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Pretty weak for them to consider toning it down or removing it in future entries. Part of DW's charm is just how absurdly campy and gay it is.
They especially can't walk away from this very easily when they make most every male character a prettyboy in some fashion.
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Magister Xehanort said:
Yes, all the characters seem obsessed with the protagonist in Dynasty Warriors Origins.
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Lmfao, they knew exactly what they were doing, I love it.
Also, if anyone knows the national DW Community, this is not surprising and I'm sure they're loving it.
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I'm so oblivious that I didn't even notice while playing the game. Guan Yu certainly is dreamy, though. He can be my god of war any time.
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[Automaton] Dynasty Warriors Origins’ gay undertones were kind of an accident, series producer admits
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Dynasty Warriors Origins’ gay undertones were kind of an accident, series producer admits - AUTOMATON WEST
According to Dynasty Warriors Origins producer Tomohiko Sho, the game's homoerotic lines weren't entirely intentional.
automaton-media.com
If you found yourself thinking "Were musou games always so homoerotic?" or "Why does Lu Bu want to make me his?" while playing the franchise's latest AAA entry Dynasty Warriors Origins – you're probably not alone. In fact, even the game's producer himself, Omega Force's Sho Tomohiko, admits to being caught off guard by how fruity some of the lines in there ended up. He recently addressed the topic in an unusual three-way discussion with Denfaminicogamer and 4chan founder Hiroyuki Nishimura.
Click to expand...
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Denfaminicogamer interview said:
Sho: That BL vibe was… not something I intended at all. Honestly, I'd say, "Sorry, I wasn't keeping a close enough eye on things."
Hiroyuki:
So you're saying that if you're not watching carefully, things just naturally veer off into BL?Sho:
I'm not saying the team did anything wrong, of course, but honestly speaking – yeah, that's kind of what happened. I came up with the core outline and worldbuilding for the game, and we were aligned on major points. However, I left the actual scenario to the writing team.Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Sho mentions having a "Wait, what? moment when playing Dynasty Warriors Origins voiced for the first time, as the BL fanservice was "beyond his expectations." However, he clarifies that Omega Force's team didn't make these choices on a whim, but after considering what longtime musou fans would like – and they were on the mark it seems, as Sho mentions that there were plenty of fans who loved it.
On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones. "If we do a sequel, I think I'll personally check all the text. Although the team will probably hate that."
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PlanetSmasher
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I'm gonna be honest, it made the game better. I hope they don't swing hard in the other direction for the next game out of embarrassment.
Lord Vatek
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Jan 18, 2018
24,670
Cowards. If you tap into the BL fanbase, you own that shit.
LordGorchnik
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Oct 30, 2017
3,656
DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF THE BL FANBASE?
I am not one of them but those folks throw hard $$$$ at anything with it haha.
Fodder Aplenty
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Sep 10, 2018
305
I thought Moot was the 4chan founder? And why would he do an interview with a person like that anyway?
Pai Pai Master
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Oct 25, 2017
37,121
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wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
pronk
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Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah it made the game way better, if anything they should go harder on it
Linus815
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Fodder Aplenty said:
I thought Moot was the 4chan founder? And why would he do an interview with a person like that anyway?
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4chan is just a side gig for hiro really
SirKai
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Them making a conscious effort to avoid queer subtext and tone in future entries is coward shit. So fucking lame.
Primus
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4,558
"However, he clarifies that Omega Force's team didn't make these choices on a whim, but after considering what longtime musou fans would like – and they were on the mark it seems, as Sho mentions that there were plenty of fans who loved it."
Click to expand...
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There we go, see, you get it. People were super thrilled by the more overt BL in Origins, well done!
"On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones. "If we do a sequel, I think I'll personally check all the text. Although the team will probably hate that."
Click to expand...
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And now you've just thrown it all away! Well done!
justintimberlakesideeye.gif
Starphanluke
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The way this kind of makes me want to play the game. Annoying that they're backing down, though.
Renteka-Bond
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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It's super gay. Like "if you replaced every character with a girl, it'd be a harem anime" gay. It's the best part lol
Edit: Sad to see he's a huge coward though. "Everyone liked it, but fuck that, because reasons!"
cursed knowledge
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what is BL exactly?
nded
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So the producer wasn't expecting it but it sounds like the writing team knew exactly what they were doing.
Greywaren
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Most of my interest in this game comes from the fact that I've been told there are gay undertones, so I think this worked out for them.
HStallion
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Oct 25, 2017
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Don't pursue Lu Bu. He's going to pursue you
Fodder Aplenty
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305
Linus815 said:
4chan is just a side gig for hiro really
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But he owns it, and has owned it for 10 years. He's responsible for it. I don't think we can just hand wave his connection here.
Callibretto
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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boy love or yaoi
PlanetSmasher
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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Your entire social link with Lu Bu is basically him actively being like "YOU ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO BEAT ME BUT YOU ARE ALMOST STRONG ENOUGH AND THAT MEANS WE ARE MARRIED".
SirKai
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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Boy Love, a romantic sub-genre of manga.
AuthenticM
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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
35,087
On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones
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boooooo
Valcrist
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PlanetSmasher said:
I'm gonna be honest, it made the game better. I hope they don't swing hard in the other direction for the next game out of embarrassment.
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On the other hand, given that things went a bit overboard for his taste, Sho says that Origins' potential sequel will tone down the gay undertones. "If we do a sequel, I think I'll personally check all the text. Although the team will probably hate that."
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If that's the case they should just not make a sequel tbh.
Cantaim
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The Stussining
cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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It's usually male on male relationships written for women.
CrazyHal
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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It's not "kinda" gay. It's SUPER gay.
zoodoo
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Cantaim said:
It's usually male on male relationships written for women.
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That's a thing?
PlanetSmasher
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Oct 25, 2017
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zoodoo said:
That's a thing?
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Are you surprised? It's a massive, massive slice of the fanfic sphere.
Richietto
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No don't fuckin tone it down you fuckin coward what???
kubev
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Lord Vatek said:
Cowards. If you tap into the BL fanbase, you own that shit.
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I have to say, seeing people bitch about playing as a woman in GTA6 had me thinking how funny it'd be if Rockstar gave people a choice to replace Lucia with a guy named Luke or something and with no other changes to the game but also no further explanation prior to launch, with the characters being in a relationship either way.
DyCy
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Oct 25, 2017
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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Bu Lu
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cursed knowledge said:
what is BL exactly?
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Boy kissing baby~
zoodoo said:
That's a thing?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
95% of Gacha games is written with super blatant girlkisser bait and "Yuri undertones" for men. This is like that, except unintentional on their part.
In the anime community, any popular anime that likely has majority men and useless women characters probably has a big BL community of artists under its belt, both because it's an underserved market but also because, most often, the relationships between men are written infinitely better than whatever female character the protag has as a love interest.
L Thammy
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It's probably accurate to the period, honestly.
L Thammy
Spacenoid
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Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu used to all sleep in the same bed.
delete12345
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DyCy said:
For context: 呂布 is pronounced as Lü Bu, one of the strongest and mightiest warriors in the Romance of the Three Kingdom.
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Flame Flamey
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Just saying that Rise of the Ronin has actual implied gay sex scenes, since anyone can do every romance option.
thetrin
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zoodoo said:
That's a thing?
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I mean, everything under the sun "is a thing". It's a massively successful subgenre.
texhnolyze
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What, so it was a mistake and will be fixed in the sequel? lol
Atom
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Jul 25, 2021
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Don't course correct just give the player a character creator next time ffs. Dial up the self insert stuff and you'll probs get even more positive buzz.
Magister Xehanort
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Pai Pai Master said:
wait this game is kinda gay? now i really need to play it
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Yes, all the characters seem obsessed with the protagonist in Dynasty Warriors Origins.
Lord Vatek
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Jan 18, 2018
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Magister Xehanort said:
Yes, all the characters seem obsessed with the protagonist in Dynasty Warriors Origins.
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"Accident" my ass.
GravaGravity
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Oct 27, 2017
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Brother you stumbled into the bisexual motherload you can't bury the mine now
JJD
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Hahaha as someone who is not used to musou games I loved it!
It was just fun
Dinoegg_96
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Honestly, that tends to happen a lot in anime.
MidasTouch
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Dec 29, 2023
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Pretty weak for them to consider toning it down or removing it in future entries. Part of DW's charm is just how absurdly campy and gay it is.
They especially can't walk away from this very easily when they make most every male character a prettyboy in some fashion.
Tagyhag
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Oct 27, 2017
15,103
Magister Xehanort said:
Yes, all the characters seem obsessed with the protagonist in Dynasty Warriors Origins.
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Lmfao, they knew exactly what they were doing, I love it.
Also, if anyone knows the national DW Community, this is not surprising and I'm sure they're loving it.
Mental Atrophy
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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm so oblivious that I didn't even notice while playing the game. Guan Yu certainly is dreamy, though. He can be my god of war any time.
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