Dynasty Warriors producer says the series still can’t be called a success in the West
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In an interview with GamesMarkt, Omega Forcedirector and producer Tomohiko Sho – who produced this year's Dynasty Warriors: Origins – was asked how successful the series is in the West, given that most of the Steam user reviews for the game are written in Chinese.
Sho replied that, in his view, Dynasty Warriors is not yet a successful series in the West, but that it's possible for this to change in the future.
"I believe that the 'Dynasty Warriors' series is not yet in a position to be called a success in the West," Sho said. "On the contrary, I believe that there is a great potential for the series to gain many fans in the future.
"With our latest title, Dynasty Warriors: Origins, we were able to attract new fans in addition to those we have had since the PlayStation 2 era. The Western market is very important, and I believe that if there is a next title, we will gain even more new fans."
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Origins was the first game in the series i played and i absolutely loved it so i hope it can continue to grow in the west.
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I think he's being modest more than anything else. This is less "the series is a failure" and more "I think we can do even better".
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I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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it's why spin offs of the formula like Hyrule Warriors do considerably better.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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Unfortunately this. Obviously it did really well on Steam and what not but there's a reason Hyrule Warrios can do so damn well on a single platform. It's the setting.
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We saw this from the CCUs tbh, overwhelmingly tilted towards Asia.
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Origins I haven't tried, more tempted seeing impressions here, but I read Steph Sterling's review on it and they weren't happy with realism essentially removing personality from it. I think the other thing that puts me off is they just seem very heavy handed with DLC too, and seemingly for pretty basic things, I want as complete of a game as possible.
Really I'm kinda surprised they haven't done more collabs with more IPs. I think Hyrule Warriors was really the first I truly played and loved. Other collabs since I've enjoyed too like P5 Strikers. Berserker was fine. AOT I enjoyed too and that's actually very different from the others. I'd love a KH Musou eventually.. so many characters and abilities they could use, and enemies are pretty simplistically designed, and there's already been moments where you had to kill 1000+ Heartless, seems a perfect fit, ha.
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Dekuman said:
it's why spin offs of the formula like Hyrule Warriors do considerably better.
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Do they really do that much better?
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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You're probably right but for me the three kingdoms setting made it even more interesting.
Don't think a medieval europe or a more western fantasy approach would catch me in the same way.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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Totally agree and this is coming from someone seeks out other Three Kingdoms content because of KOEI.
Someone the other day mentioned using the engine for an Avengers or Superman style game. I could see that catching on if done right.
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PlanetSmasher said:
Do they really do that much better?
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Not all of them, but some, yes.
Age of Calamity is the best selling musou at 4M.
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I want Origins but still too pricey unfortunately. I love Samurai Warriors, Pirate Warriors, Persona 5 Strikers...
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I'll show up for the franchise again when they bring back Dynasty Warriors Gundam
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Do they really do that much better?
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Here's what i can find from the Nintendo million seller list
Hyrule Warriors - Age of Calamity 4+ million units as of March 2021
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PlanetSmasher said:
I think he's being modest more than anything else. This is less "the series is a failure" and more "I think we can do even better".
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That's my take.
Origins was first DW game I enjoyed in a really long time. Solid entry, and I feel a game like this is made all the better with this current gen due to how incredibly fast the loading times are.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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It's not even that I think its the fact that they have done the same setting and characters 20 times over. It's an interesting period and story with great characters but you can only add and stretch the same story so many times without diminishing returns.
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SlasherMcGirk said:
It's not even that I think its the fact that they have done the same setting and characters 20 times over. It's an interesting period and story with great characters but you can only add and stretch the same story so many times without diminishing returns.
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I think the other problem is there aren't that many periods of time across history that can support this kind of game structure with such a heavy emphasis on specific heroes. Like, they tried Troy once and it didn't really catch on, nor did Bladestorm.
For better and for worse, the Three Kingdoms and Sengoku eras are kind of the time periods that have A) a level of ubiquity in Asia that makes East Asian players interested in them and B) an emphasis on character substantial enough to support the Musou gameplay format.
By comparison, I don't think a Musou game based onthe American Revolution would sell particularly well outside of the US, and that war was A) not that long and B) took place in an era where firearms had largely supplanted melee combat so the movesets would wind up feeling very samey.
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Dekuman said:
Here's what i can find from the Nintendo million seller list
Hyrule Warriors - Age of Calamity 4+ million units as of March 2021
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And I think that is without japan sales, since Nintendo is only the publisher in the west
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I'll show up for the franchise again when they bring back Dynasty Warriors Gundam
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Man I would love this. Did they stop for licensing reasons or something?
Origins was amazing and I can't wait for what's next.
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Astral said:
Man I would love this. Did they stop for licensing reasons or something?
Origins was amazing and I can't wait for what's next.
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They stopped because the third game sold almost no copies. People got sick of the concept after the second game.
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PlanetSmasher said:
I think the other problem is there aren't that many periods of time across history that can support this kind of game structure with such a heavy emphasis on specific heroes. Like, they tried Troy once and it didn't really catch on, nor did Bladestorm.
For better and for worse, the Three Kingdoms and Sengoku eras are kind of the time periods that have A) a level of ubiquity in Asia that makes East Asian players interested in them and B) an emphasis on character substantial enough to support the Musou gameplay format.
By comparison, I don't think a Musou game based onthe American Revolution would sell particularly well outside of the US, and that war was A) not that long and B) took place in an era where firearms had largely supplanted melee combat so the movesets would wind up feeling very samey.
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It doesn't really need to be historical. There are One Piece, Zelda, Dragon Quest, Gundam... They could do something sci-fi or fantasy with their own setting and characters if they want. But, hey, if they like three kingdoms, they don't need to change it, but it's going to be very hard to grow in the West.
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How are they gonna find an audience in the west when the game is 80 *euros* on all platforms? Their biggest discount is 64 euros.
Come on man
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Origins I haven't tried, more tempted seeing impressions here, but I read Steph Sterling's review on it and they weren't happy with realism essentially removing personality from it. I think the other thing that puts me off is they just seem very heavy handed with DLC too, and seemingly for pretty basic things, I want as complete of a game as possible.
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I'd recommend watching some gameplay to see how you feel about it. I understand Steph's gripes with Origins, but it is legitimately the best game in the series and it isn't even close. Like, the combat is actually good. Enemy officers actually put up a fight. Lu Bu is an actual boss fight and hard as hell to beat.
Origins three greatest faults are where it chooses to end, the silent protagonist you can't customize, and that there are only like 9 weapons. The weapons issue also isn't that bad because each weapon has functions different and has plenty of abilities to choose from. It feels fantastic to play and blows every other game out of the water.
Also, as far as I'm aware, Origins doesn't really have DLC. It had some pre-order bonuses, but thats it. As it is, the game is complete.
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Glio said:
It doesn't really need to be historical. There are One Piece, Zelda, Dragon Quest, Gundam... They could do something sci-fi or fantasy with their own setting and characters if they want. But, hey, if they like three kingdoms, they don't need to change it, but it's going to be very hard to grow in the West.
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I don't think a bunch of anime Musou spinoffs are going to grow the franchise in the West. They've been doing anime spinoffs for 20 years and they just sell to people who are already Musou fans who happen to like that particular anime. It's a concept that only works on fanbase overlap.
And I don't think an original setting is going to interest people who aren't already fans either.
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Dynasty Warriors Origins was an excellent refresh, and I hope they continue to build off it, because the fundamentals are all there.
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It was my first Dynasty Warriors game and I had a complete blast with it. I'm in if this is what they'll be like going forward. I hope the dust settles well for it in the west.
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Glio said:
Not all of them, but some, yes.
Age of Calamity is the best selling musou at 4M.
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One Piece Pirate Warriors 4 is also at 4 million sales.
Spinoffs are more popular if they push them.
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"If there is a next game"
I hope they're being deliberately evasive there considering Origins ends half way through the story
Although I do think the story is more interesting before the Three Kingdoms are established since there are more players and more going on
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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This is definitely part of it. I'm more into Samurai Warriors because the setting is more interesting to me.
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I bought Origins on day one but have so much else on my plate. I'd like to get to it soon, might be a good palette cleanser after Death Stranding 2
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Dreamboum said:
How are they gonna find an audience in the west when the game is 80 *euros* on all platforms? Their biggest discount is 64 euros.
Come on man
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I bought a key for like 43€ a few months ago so you can definitely get it cheaper if you're looking for it.
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Origins is a must play for everyone that likes action games. A masterpiece from beginning to end.
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Yup, still a frontrunner for my personal GOTY.
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Only thing i wished they would improve on really would be that the MC has more of a personality
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I loved Origins as my first real DWbut as interesting as it was for a first timer I do wonder how much I'd want to revisit the Three Kingdoms story over and over again in sequels so I do think the setting is limiting the potential of the franchise.
Would love a spin off based on Star Wars, Marvel or Final Fantasy though.
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They stopped because the third game sold almost no copies. People got sick of the concept after the second game.
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Aw damn. I honestly didn't even know there was a third one. I think they have the potential of making a really good one with the current formula.
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PlanetSmasher said:
I don't think a bunch of anime Musou spinoffs are going to grow the franchise in the West. They've been doing anime spinoffs for 20 years and they just sell to people who are already Musou fans who happen to like that particular anime. It's a concept that only works on fanbase overlap.
And I don't think an original setting is going to interest people who aren't already fans either.
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I'm going to be cynical because it's an idea that doesn't appeal to me personally, but I'm pretty sure if they made a dark fantasy setting with fallen knights, ruined kingdoms and cursed battlefields; and marketed it as "the Dark Souls of musou," it would sell.
And I feel almost dirty just proposing it.
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Glio said:
I'm going to be cynical because it's an idea that doesn't appeal to me personally, but I'm pretty sure if they made a dark fantasy setting with fallen knights, ruined kingdoms and cursed battlefields; and marketed it as "the Dark Souls of musou," it would sell.
And I feel almost dirty just proposing it.
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I don't...really think it would work? Like the entire fantasy of Musou is "being an unstoppable killing machine", trying to focus it around super-hardcore grimdark difficulty would kind of defeat the purpose of it being Musou at all.
Dark fantasy doesn't just succeed by default, and I don't think audiences would be tricked by that either. The Berserk musou flopped catastrophically badly.
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thewienke said:
"If there is a next game"
I hope they're being deliberately evasive there considering Origins ends half way through the story
Although I do think the story is more interesting before the Three Kingdoms are established since there are more players and more going on
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The secret is everyone throughout time has felt that the pre-Three Kingdoms phase of the Three Kingdoms is the interesting part. Pretty much every adaptation stalls out a bit after things solidify. Hard to make the decades long stalemate and then abrupt anticlimacticdenouement satisfying as a conventional narrative.
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Dynasty Warriors producer says the series still can’t be called a success in the West
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In an interview with GamesMarkt, Omega Forcedirector and producer Tomohiko Sho – who produced this year's Dynasty Warriors: Origins – was asked how successful the series is in the West, given that most of the Steam user reviews for the game are written in Chinese.
Sho replied that, in his view, Dynasty Warriors is not yet a successful series in the West, but that it's possible for this to change in the future.
"I believe that the 'Dynasty Warriors' series is not yet in a position to be called a success in the West," Sho said. "On the contrary, I believe that there is a great potential for the series to gain many fans in the future.
"With our latest title, Dynasty Warriors: Origins, we were able to attract new fans in addition to those we have had since the PlayStation 2 era. The Western market is very important, and I believe that if there is a next title, we will gain even more new fans."
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Origins was the first game in the series i played and i absolutely loved it so i hope it can continue to grow in the west.
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I think he's being modest more than anything else. This is less "the series is a failure" and more "I think we can do even better".
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I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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it's why spin offs of the formula like Hyrule Warriors do considerably better.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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Unfortunately this. Obviously it did really well on Steam and what not but there's a reason Hyrule Warrios can do so damn well on a single platform. It's the setting.
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We saw this from the CCUs tbh, overwhelmingly tilted towards Asia.
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Origins I haven't tried, more tempted seeing impressions here, but I read Steph Sterling's review on it and they weren't happy with realism essentially removing personality from it. I think the other thing that puts me off is they just seem very heavy handed with DLC too, and seemingly for pretty basic things, I want as complete of a game as possible.
Really I'm kinda surprised they haven't done more collabs with more IPs. I think Hyrule Warriors was really the first I truly played and loved. Other collabs since I've enjoyed too like P5 Strikers. Berserker was fine. AOT I enjoyed too and that's actually very different from the others. I'd love a KH Musou eventually.. so many characters and abilities they could use, and enemies are pretty simplistically designed, and there's already been moments where you had to kill 1000+ Heartless, seems a perfect fit, ha.
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Dekuman said:
it's why spin offs of the formula like Hyrule Warriors do considerably better.
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Do they really do that much better?
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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You're probably right but for me the three kingdoms setting made it even more interesting.
Don't think a medieval europe or a more western fantasy approach would catch me in the same way.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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Totally agree and this is coming from someone seeks out other Three Kingdoms content because of KOEI.
Someone the other day mentioned using the engine for an Avengers or Superman style game. I could see that catching on if done right.
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Do they really do that much better?
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Not all of them, but some, yes.
Age of Calamity is the best selling musou at 4M.
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I want Origins but still too pricey unfortunately. I love Samurai Warriors, Pirate Warriors, Persona 5 Strikers...
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I'll show up for the franchise again when they bring back Dynasty Warriors Gundam
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PlanetSmasher said:
Do they really do that much better?
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Here's what i can find from the Nintendo million seller list
Hyrule Warriors - Age of Calamity 4+ million units as of March 2021
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PlanetSmasher said:
I think he's being modest more than anything else. This is less "the series is a failure" and more "I think we can do even better".
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That's my take.
Origins was first DW game I enjoyed in a really long time. Solid entry, and I feel a game like this is made all the better with this current gen due to how incredibly fast the loading times are.
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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It's not even that I think its the fact that they have done the same setting and characters 20 times over. It's an interesting period and story with great characters but you can only add and stretch the same story so many times without diminishing returns.
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SlasherMcGirk said:
It's not even that I think its the fact that they have done the same setting and characters 20 times over. It's an interesting period and story with great characters but you can only add and stretch the same story so many times without diminishing returns.
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I think the other problem is there aren't that many periods of time across history that can support this kind of game structure with such a heavy emphasis on specific heroes. Like, they tried Troy once and it didn't really catch on, nor did Bladestorm.
For better and for worse, the Three Kingdoms and Sengoku eras are kind of the time periods that have A) a level of ubiquity in Asia that makes East Asian players interested in them and B) an emphasis on character substantial enough to support the Musou gameplay format.
By comparison, I don't think a Musou game based onthe American Revolution would sell particularly well outside of the US, and that war was A) not that long and B) took place in an era where firearms had largely supplanted melee combat so the movesets would wind up feeling very samey.
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Here's what i can find from the Nintendo million seller list
Hyrule Warriors - Age of Calamity 4+ million units as of March 2021
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And I think that is without japan sales, since Nintendo is only the publisher in the west
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I'll show up for the franchise again when they bring back Dynasty Warriors Gundam
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Man I would love this. Did they stop for licensing reasons or something?
Origins was amazing and I can't wait for what's next.
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Man I would love this. Did they stop for licensing reasons or something?
Origins was amazing and I can't wait for what's next.
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They stopped because the third game sold almost no copies. People got sick of the concept after the second game.
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I think the other problem is there aren't that many periods of time across history that can support this kind of game structure with such a heavy emphasis on specific heroes. Like, they tried Troy once and it didn't really catch on, nor did Bladestorm.
For better and for worse, the Three Kingdoms and Sengoku eras are kind of the time periods that have A) a level of ubiquity in Asia that makes East Asian players interested in them and B) an emphasis on character substantial enough to support the Musou gameplay format.
By comparison, I don't think a Musou game based onthe American Revolution would sell particularly well outside of the US, and that war was A) not that long and B) took place in an era where firearms had largely supplanted melee combat so the movesets would wind up feeling very samey.
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It doesn't really need to be historical. There are One Piece, Zelda, Dragon Quest, Gundam... They could do something sci-fi or fantasy with their own setting and characters if they want. But, hey, if they like three kingdoms, they don't need to change it, but it's going to be very hard to grow in the West.
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How are they gonna find an audience in the west when the game is 80 *euros* on all platforms? Their biggest discount is 64 euros.
Come on man
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LAA said:
Origins I haven't tried, more tempted seeing impressions here, but I read Steph Sterling's review on it and they weren't happy with realism essentially removing personality from it. I think the other thing that puts me off is they just seem very heavy handed with DLC too, and seemingly for pretty basic things, I want as complete of a game as possible.
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I'd recommend watching some gameplay to see how you feel about it. I understand Steph's gripes with Origins, but it is legitimately the best game in the series and it isn't even close. Like, the combat is actually good. Enemy officers actually put up a fight. Lu Bu is an actual boss fight and hard as hell to beat.
Origins three greatest faults are where it chooses to end, the silent protagonist you can't customize, and that there are only like 9 weapons. The weapons issue also isn't that bad because each weapon has functions different and has plenty of abilities to choose from. It feels fantastic to play and blows every other game out of the water.
Also, as far as I'm aware, Origins doesn't really have DLC. It had some pre-order bonuses, but thats it. As it is, the game is complete.
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Glio said:
It doesn't really need to be historical. There are One Piece, Zelda, Dragon Quest, Gundam... They could do something sci-fi or fantasy with their own setting and characters if they want. But, hey, if they like three kingdoms, they don't need to change it, but it's going to be very hard to grow in the West.
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I don't think a bunch of anime Musou spinoffs are going to grow the franchise in the West. They've been doing anime spinoffs for 20 years and they just sell to people who are already Musou fans who happen to like that particular anime. It's a concept that only works on fanbase overlap.
And I don't think an original setting is going to interest people who aren't already fans either.
General Tso
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Dynasty Warriors Origins was an excellent refresh, and I hope they continue to build off it, because the fundamentals are all there.
DontHateTheBacon
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It was my first Dynasty Warriors game and I had a complete blast with it. I'm in if this is what they'll be like going forward. I hope the dust settles well for it in the west.
Dale Copper
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Glio said:
Not all of them, but some, yes.
Age of Calamity is the best selling musou at 4M.
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One Piece Pirate Warriors 4 is also at 4 million sales.
Spinoffs are more popular if they push them.
thewienke
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"If there is a next game"
I hope they're being deliberately evasive there considering Origins ends half way through the story
Although I do think the story is more interesting before the Three Kingdoms are established since there are more players and more going on
Pyro
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Glio said:
I honestly think what limits the franchise most in the West today is the setting of Three Kingdoms, not the gameplay.
It's a fascinating historical period, but I don't think it'll be very popular here.
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This is definitely part of it. I'm more into Samurai Warriors because the setting is more interesting to me.
LiquidDom
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I bought Origins on day one but have so much else on my plate. I'd like to get to it soon, might be a good palette cleanser after Death Stranding 2
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Xando
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Dreamboum said:
How are they gonna find an audience in the west when the game is 80 *euros* on all platforms? Their biggest discount is 64 euros.
Come on man
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I bought a key for like 43€ a few months ago so you can definitely get it cheaper if you're looking for it.
Kyrios
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Origins is a must play for everyone that likes action games. A masterpiece from beginning to end.
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Yup, still a frontrunner for my personal GOTY.
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Xando
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Only thing i wished they would improve on really would be that the MC has more of a personality
DyCy
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I loved Origins as my first real DWbut as interesting as it was for a first timer I do wonder how much I'd want to revisit the Three Kingdoms story over and over again in sequels so I do think the setting is limiting the potential of the franchise.
Would love a spin off based on Star Wars, Marvel or Final Fantasy though.
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PlanetSmasher said:
They stopped because the third game sold almost no copies. People got sick of the concept after the second game.
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Aw damn. I honestly didn't even know there was a third one. I think they have the potential of making a really good one with the current formula.
Glio
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PlanetSmasher said:
I don't think a bunch of anime Musou spinoffs are going to grow the franchise in the West. They've been doing anime spinoffs for 20 years and they just sell to people who are already Musou fans who happen to like that particular anime. It's a concept that only works on fanbase overlap.
And I don't think an original setting is going to interest people who aren't already fans either.
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I'm going to be cynical because it's an idea that doesn't appeal to me personally, but I'm pretty sure if they made a dark fantasy setting with fallen knights, ruined kingdoms and cursed battlefields; and marketed it as "the Dark Souls of musou," it would sell.
And I feel almost dirty just proposing it.
PlanetSmasher
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Glio said:
I'm going to be cynical because it's an idea that doesn't appeal to me personally, but I'm pretty sure if they made a dark fantasy setting with fallen knights, ruined kingdoms and cursed battlefields; and marketed it as "the Dark Souls of musou," it would sell.
And I feel almost dirty just proposing it.
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I don't...really think it would work? Like the entire fantasy of Musou is "being an unstoppable killing machine", trying to focus it around super-hardcore grimdark difficulty would kind of defeat the purpose of it being Musou at all.
Dark fantasy doesn't just succeed by default, and I don't think audiences would be tricked by that either. The Berserk musou flopped catastrophically badly.
MaxAugust
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thewienke said:
"If there is a next game"
I hope they're being deliberately evasive there considering Origins ends half way through the story
Although I do think the story is more interesting before the Three Kingdoms are established since there are more players and more going on
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The secret is everyone throughout time has felt that the pre-Three Kingdoms phase of the Three Kingdoms is the interesting part. Pretty much every adaptation stalls out a bit after things solidify. Hard to make the decades long stalemate and then abrupt anticlimacticdenouement satisfying as a conventional narrative.
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