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Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 - Spoiler Thread
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SPOILER THREAD FOR CLAIR OBSCUR: EXPEDITION 33
Enter at your own risk, you have been warned
thought it was worth making one as there are people who would want to discuss game in detail later
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glavd
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Please don't open the spoiler if you haven't beaten the lampmaster
Holy shit what happened?!?!? The way it was shot. I won't believe he is dead but that was absolute cinema [/spoiler
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glavd said:
Please don't open the spoiler if you haven't beaten the lampmaster
Holy shit what happened?!?!? The way it was shot. I won't believe he is dead but that was absolute cinema [/spoiler
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lol
I literally hit that spot about 30-40 minutes ago. What the hell is going oooonnnnn
Brazil
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I've finished the game two weeks ago and haven't been able to stop thinking about the endings ever since.
Looking forward to reading fresh perspectives on it all!
Annie85x
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glavd said:
Please don't open the spoiler if you haven't beaten the lampmaster
Holy shit what happened?!?!? The way it was shot. I won't believe he is dead but that was absolute cinema [/spoiler
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That moment really took me by surprise and hit me hard lol.
Chaserjoey
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Just looking for a simple yes or no, once you finish the game are you sent back to the world map to finish up? Assuming yes but you never know.
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Chaserjoey said:
Just looking for a simple yes or no, once you finish the game are you sent back to the world map to finish up? Assuming yes but you never know.
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No*
The game has a definitive end which takes you back to the main menu after the credits roll and selecting continue or you most recent save is right before the end fight of the game. However, Act 3 in general is basically that whole "end game world map exploration" that you'd normally do as post-game content they just give you the whole world to explore in Act 3 and there's no limits really and you can go and choose to explore and gear up for as long as you'd like before tackling the end of the game.
TheChungusAmongUs
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I've only finished act 1 and in the middle of act 2, but as someone who has watched every media piece they put out for this game it felt really heavily telegraphed that Verso was probably the actual protagonist with how heavily featured Ben Starr was and how barely featured Charlie Cox was.
I also remember looking at Gustaves skill tree and wondering why so much was locked away
DTC
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Does anyone have a guide on which Act 3 content is the best to do first / good order to do things? I want to be at a proper level for the content
MrTharne
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Finished the game.
Heavy Spoilers for the end of the game :
Both of those endings ruined me.
I understand that the Verso Ending is the right choice but damn if that last shot of all the party being Gommaged in front of Alicia isn't heartbreaking.
And the Maelle ending when the shot goes to her decaying face is also haunting.
I did the last dungeon after almost all of the side content so I just one skill everything, the setting was epic though with the music changing all the time. Still need to beat the various solo challenges and of course...
Simon, when I saw the sword from afar, I knew that it was the dude who killed that Axon in Old Lumiere, same exact sword. First of all they give you a kill screen between the two phases but there is no checkpoint wtf, compare to all the other multi-phase fights where the boss is stuck at 1% so you know there is no checkpoint, here it's like : "You thought, well you thought wrong, enjoy."
They got me good and then P2 starts and he unleashes a lightspeed combo that wipe my party. Back to square one I guess. 💀
GOTY
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MrTharne said:
Finished the game.
Heavy Spoilers for the end of the game :
Both of those endings ruined me.
I understand that the Verso Ending is the right choice but damn if that last shot of all the party being Gommaged in front of Alicia isn't heartbreaking.
And the Maelle ending when the shot goes to her decaying face is also haunting.
I did the last dungeon after almost all of the side content so I just one skill everything, the setting was epic though with the music changing all the time. Still need to beat the various solo challenges and of course...
Simon, when I saw the sword from afar, I knew that it was the dude who killed that Axon in Old Lumiere, same exact sword. First of all they give you a kill screen between the two phases but there is no checkpoint wtf, compare to all the other multi-phase fights where the boss is stuck at 1% so you know there is no checkpoint, here it's like : "You thought, well you thought wrong, enjoy."
They got me good and then P2 starts and he unleashes a lightspeed combo that wipe my party. Back to square one I guess. 💀
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Agreed. *nods with tear in eye*
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iFirez said:
No*
The game has a definitive end which takes you back to the main menu after the credits roll and selecting continue or you most recent save is right before the end fight of the game. However, Act 3 in general is basically that whole "end game world map exploration" that you'd normally do as post-game content they just give you the whole world to explore in Act 3 and there's no limits really and you can go and choose to explore and gear up for as long as you'd like before tackling the end of the game.
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Okay thanks. I just wanted to get the story done so no more dodging spoilers but I also wanted to make sure I wasn't sacrificing doing the end game content, so good to know!
TheZynster
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WTF is going on
At the end of act 2 I think in old lumiere
But verso screaming Alicia's name when Maelle was about to be attacked and then the mask removal and the near copied but burned face and why are the wife and daughter deteriorated but Renoir and Verso aren't and I have so many questions
Jesus Christ, what the fuck
DamageEX2
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Just started Act 3 and theres a lot to think about.
Interesting the way the game about a "The Writers" faction
blackw0lf48
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TheZynster said:
WTF is going on
At the end of act 2 I think in old lumiere
But verso screaming Alicia's name when Maelle was about to be attacked and then the mask removal and the near copied but burned face and why are the wife and daughter deteriorated but Renoir and Verso aren't and I have so many questions
Jesus Christ, what the fuck
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Amazingly it will all make sense in the end.
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blackw0lf48 said:
Amazingly it will all make sense in the end.
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Takes a heavy cigarette drag…..I have to see how this shit plays out, because my god. I haven't been this hooked in ages….
Dalik
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I loved the ending and Verso ending is definitely the better one, it's not even subtle since Maelle one ends with a jumpscare of Alicia face basically accepting that she will die in the canvas.
All in all I gotta say that I expect that the whole "the world is actually just a magic-painting" will break suspension of disbelief for many and will not resonate strongly.
I don't want to admit but it definitely made me care a little less for the fate of Lune and Sciel.
blackw0lf48
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I'm interested to see how people react to what is without a doubt a downer ending of a game.
Trying to remember the last time a really popular game had that.
Dalik
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blackw0lf48 said:
I'm interested to see how people react to what is without a doubt a downer ending of a game.
Trying to remember the last time a really popular game had that.
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The more I dwell on it the more I think people nowadays react really badly to the "it was all a dream" plotine.
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Dalik said:
The more I dwell on it the more I think people nowadays react really badly to the "it was all a dream"plotine.
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Except to me it isn't. The painted world is just as real for the people in it as the real world. It's like The Marrix.
At least that's how I took it. I think how "real" the painted world is, is open to interpretation.
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Dalik
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blackw0lf48 said:
Except to me it isn't. The painted world is just as real for the people in it as the real world. It's like The Marrix.
At least that's how I took it. I think how "real" the painted world is, is open to interpretation.
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The matrix is not an apt comparison ,those are real people with real bodies and brains connected to a virtual reality world
Gustave , Lune , Sciel are not people that exist in the world outside ,they are just drawings that Verso/Aline painted them as and even if we interpret it as them having their own will, they still just live inside a painting that can be erased by someone outside in a instant.
The painters inside are basically god and Alicia/Maelle is just living there with the power of erasing and controlling everything that happens inside it, I personally find it really hard to accept that as a real world.
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blackw0lf48
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Dalik said:
The matrix is not an apt comparison ,those are real people with real bodies and brains connected to a virtual reality world
Gustave , Lune , Sciel are not people that exist in the world outside ,they are just drawings that Verso/Aline painted them as and even if we interpret it as them having their own will, they still just live inside a painting that can be erased by someone outside in a instant.
The painters inside are basically god and Alicia/Maelle is just living there with the power of erasing and controlling everything that happens inside it, I personally find it really hard to accept that as a real world.
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Yea probably not the best example.
The Neverending Story might be a better one.
And people who watched/read it mostly felt it was as "real" as the actual real world
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Dalik
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blackw0lf48 said:
Yea probably not the best example.
The Neverending Story might be a better one.
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I was just thinking of that as well and I feel like that one wouldn't be as well received if it came out now, I feel like people are not as positively receptive to the trope anymore
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Dalik said:
I was just thinking of that as well and I feel like that one wouldn't be as well received if it came out now, I feel like people are not as positively receptive to the trope anymore
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Interesting. That's kinda sad haha.
MrTharne
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Also posting this here :
Questions for those who already played everything (so mostly reviewers I would think) :
Endless Tower : Can you unlock the other three red canvas ? The two small ones and the really big one. I finished the initial one but there seem to be nothing more. Maybe NG+ or (free ?) DLC ?
Talking about NG+ : Is it balanced around being Lvl 99 and having Lvl 33 Weapons or not ?
I also saw that you can go above 100% crit, what does it do ? Increase Crit Damage ?
MZZ
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Finished the game. Still organizing my thoughts overall.
But holy shit at the switch after Act 1.
I know Ben Starr was in this game but I thought he will do a more out there funky role like Esquie or Manaco. Didn't expect to get Clive as is lol.
That said, I can't decide if that made it worse or better for me. I love Ben Starr and Clive and this is just more of that and love his usual Clive moments and I think it elevated, and even outshined the cast. On the other end, I felt like the cast suddenly took a back seat and didn't get to grow and shine as much as they could've if Gustave remained.
I do like that they evoked this JRPG trope in there. I know he was foreshadowed but I kinda wish he had more mystery appearances before the switch. Like a anti hero shadow who shows up occasionally doing cool stuff.
MrTharne
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Well, I just one shotted the secret boss after optimizing my characters a bit too much. I think Virtuose Stance is a bit too strong.
I'll level up to max and then go into NG+ to see what's up in term of challenges or restart an NG game in hard difficulty with some restraints like not using Colour of Lumina to add bonus Lumina points and not using Picto/Lumina that gives another turn in one way or another.
ced
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Went into Act 3 last night, still mind blown, what a fucking game.
It's rare to have a good story and characters in a game for me.
I really liked Gustave, that shit still hurts, Verso ends up being decent at least.
Noco was a sad hit as well, so well done to care about a little wooden doll.
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MZZ said:
That said, I can't decide if that made it worse or better for me. I love Ben Starr and Clive and this is just more of that and love his usual Clive moments and I think it elevated, and even outshined the cast. On the other end, I felt like the cast suddenly took a back seat and didn't get to grow and shine as much as they could've if Gustave remained.
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I don't know if it was the intention of the devs, but I kinda like the shift that Verso brings where it's no longer about the Expedition itself, but the family feud of Verso/Renoir vs. Aline/Alicia over the continued existence of Lumiere. (And poor Clea to the side trying to protect them from the Writers faction and going 'I don't have time for this shit').
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Lvl 99 Squad reporting in (haircut spoilers) :
Wrexis
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The whole game is a masterpiece, but the end of Act 1 and going back to Lumiere, goddamn. The ending is a gut punch regardless of which one you pick, but I wasn't too surprised it was a downer of a ending - it's a French game after all.
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I don't know if it was the intention of the devs, but I kinda like the shift that Verso brings where it's no longer about the Expedition itself, but the family feud of Verso/Renoir vs. Aline/Alicia over the continued existence of Lumiere. (And poor Clea to the side trying to protect them from the Writers faction and going 'I don't have time for this shit').
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Is there more of Clea in sidequests and such? Because in my run she popped up in like 2 cutscenes and literally walked off the screen.
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Wrexis said:
Is there more of Clea in sidequests and such? Because in my run she popped up in like 2 cutscenes and literally walked off the screen.
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Yes, some side areas contains information about her a bit.
Also where is the last Shape of Life to upgrade the Revive Potion to lvl 3 ? I am guessing it's in a puzzle inside the Manor since the lvl 3 for Health and Energy were located behind a puzzle inside it but the only two things that I found I could interact with after doing everything in it is a wardrobe and a window with an Obscur mob behind it in the same room. I tried to change outfits but nothing.
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vixivian
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Not reading this thread yet, but the back to back bullets from last of us episode 3 and the burial scene for Gustave after dualistte absolutely crushed me last night. Maelle hits the heartstrings every time, Jennifer English is incredible.
fr0st
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I didn't even get to try Gustave 10 point skill bruh
Scythe
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MrTharne said:
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what type of build are you running for everyone? Maelle's just super OP with everything, and I'm unsure how someone could get 1.2 billion in dmg (from what I've read, I haven't seen it myself yet)
Hellstruck
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Beat it a a bit ago.
Kind of want to write a big review. Might be in my top 10 games of all time. Amazing. Stories like this, where the subject is using a false existence to escape reality, always resonate with me. It's a powerful topic, especially these days.
I was almost upset with the game near the end. It was so clear to me what Renoir was saying was 100% truth and that Maelle/Alicia could never be trusted with something so dangerous and so intoxicating. But it didn't betray me. When it came time to pick sides I immediately went with Verso and was very satisfied with the ending. Cried even, which is something I very rarely do from entertainment.
Gameplay was fantastic as well. So was the OST. Amazing voice acting.
Honestly the biggest gripe with the game might be that the lip syncing was rather poor. Other than that, wonderful.
Slatsunus
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Sequel about a world in the book of a "Writer" feels like the obvious place to go. Along with building up the war between them in the real world.
Hell with the way Verso's endings go they could bring back Alcia in a sequel
xir
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Still playing but are any of the characters just younger versions of themselves or vice versa
MrTharne
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Scythe said:
what type of build are you running for everyone? Maelle's just super OP with everything, and I'm unsure how someone could get 1.2 billion in dmg (from what I've read, I haven't seen it myself yet)
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I didn't really play the two male characters at all.
Before Act 3 :
Maelle was used as a Counterattack Tank and AP battery thanks to one of her weapon (the one that looks like a thorny pink stem)
Sciel was buffing, building Burn Stack and doing some damage
Lune was the big damage dealer.
After beginning Act 3 and getting Maelle's new skills it was :
Sciel : buffer and burn stack builder.
Lune : building the Break Bar.
Maelle : killing everything that moves.
After obtaining the strongest Pictos it's just start with Sciel to buff and then Maelle just one shot everything.
Kentsui
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just finished the story, might go back to it from the start.
I think I heard about a NG+ ? how does it work ? or is it just going back to the world before the last checkpoint ?
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Hellstruck said:
I was almost upset with the game near the end. It was so clear to me what Renoir was saying was 100% truth and that Maelle/Alicia could never be trusted with something so dangerous and so intoxicating. But it didn't betray me. When it came time to pick sides I immediately went with Verso and was very satisfied with the ending. Cried even, which is something I very rarely do from entertainment.
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Yeah, it was clear that neither Renoir nor Verso wanted to destroy the Canvas, especially the former seeing as it was Verso's creation, but Aline and Alicia really needed to be teared away from it so they could properly process their grief and since they weren't going to leave voluntarily they are left with no other options. You can see it too in his ending, Verso really looks torn up while dismissing everyone.
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Dalik said:
I loved the ending and Verso ending is definitely the better one, it's not even subtle since Maelle one ends with a jumpscare of Alicia face basically accepting that she will die in the canvas.
All in all I gotta say that I expect that the whole "the world is actually just a magic-painting" will break suspension of disbelief for many and will not resonate strongly.
I don't want to admit but it definitely made me care a little less for the fate of Lune and Sciel.
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Yeah, I liked Lune, so finding out that in the end everything was fake was a bit of a bummer and kills my desire to play the game tbh. After all, if none of this is real, why should I care?
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TheBlackSwordsman said:
Yeah, I liked Lune, so finding out that in the end everything was fake was a bit of a bummer and kills my desire to play the game tbh. After all, if none of this is real, why should I care?
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I never understood this kind of take because the game you're playing isn't real either so why care at all ?
Why care about what happens in Berserk, none of the character are real.
Why would adding a second layer of "not real" to the first layer of "not real" make everything meaningless all of a sudden ?
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MrTharne said:
I never understood this kind of take because the game you're playing isn't real either so why care at all ?
Why care about what happens in Berserk, none of the character are real.
Why would adding a second layer of "not real" to the first layer of "not real" make everything meaningless all of a sudden ?
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🙄 Come on, it isn't the same thing.
Yes, I know Berserk is just a fictional story and Guts doesn't exist. However, I found his story relatable and I was able to empathize with him... so if the next chapter suddenly begins with freaking Isidro waking up in the real world and it turns out everything was a dream and Guts was just an action figure he was playing with I would be pissed lol, as it would nullify his entire journey, making me feel like I wasted my time getting invested in him.
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TheBlackSwordsman said:
🙄 Come on, it isn't the same thing.
Yes, I know Berserk is just a fictional story and Guts doesn't exist. However, I found his story relatable and I was able to empathize with him... so if the next chapter suddenly begins with freaking Isidro waking up in the real world and it turns out everything was a dream and Guts was just an action figure he was playing with I would be pissed lol, as it would nullify his entire journey, making me feel like I wasted my time getting invested in him.
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You have to think of the story kinda like how the Silent HIll 2 story goes for CO.
I'll put everything in spoilers just in case you haven't played SH2 (blasphemy if not btw!)
I don't know if you've played it but I've personally drawn a lot of similarities in terms of how both games handle death and trying to move on from tragic events.
Personally I loved it and felt really meaningful but you gotta accept that the story is about the decendre family and them trying to cope with someone they lost
just as how the story in Silent Hill is about James and his wife and him trying to cope her death and why he killed her
MrTharne
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Live recreation of Expedition 60's Festival before departing Lumière for the Continent :
Dalik
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MrTharne said:
I never understood this kind of take because the game you're playing isn't real either so why care at all ?
Why care about what happens in Berserk, none of the character are real.
Why would adding a second layer of "not real" to the first layer of "not real" make everything meaningless all of a sudden ?
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Adding another layer can take some completely out of the immersion
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I fucking love that they're the expedition who made it the farthest and that the only reason they didn't reveal the truth of The Paintress to Lumiere was that the messenger back ran out of time, not out of strength to swim the entire fucking ocean back to the city.
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My own person feelings regarding the realness of Lumiere:
I think with the death of real-Verso and the struggle between Aline and Renoir whatever "directives" the Painters may have given to the world are out the window for that 67 year period. The hardships and triumphs of the people of Lumiere are very real in that regard. The casual cruelty of how Painters view their creations just makes it all the more sad and being dismissive of their realty is an equal level of cruelty. Their choices are oblivion or being repainted by someone else that wants to use them as an escape from their own misery. I wish all Painters a very French visit with the nearest guillotine. #justiceforlune
As for the actual endings, it's tough. On the one hand, yes Maelle-Alicia should deal with her grief and her real family. On the other hand she probably exists in state of constant chronic pain from her injuries and I don't know if I can blame someone for wanting to escape that and live out another life.
Hellstruck
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As someone who gets absolutely angry at "It was a dream all along lol" or "It's a fake world" type twists, it didn't bother me at all in 33's case. It reminds me almost of more 'classical' (no idea what other words to use) movies and stories like 'Wizard of Oz' or 'The Labyrinth' where a young character (usually a young girl/woman) falls 'down the rabbit hole' into a land of fantasy full of fantastic characters and daring adventure. It's so easy to imagine this world springing forth from the mind of a young boy like Verso, with his family (his mother then his sister) tumbling into the fantasy and being so enraptured by it.
It's hard to put it into words.
What bothers me about 'it's a dream' or 'it's a fake world' is that often times there's a certain callousness or carelessness to it. You might sit there and think "What was the point?". But the point behind all the characters in Lumiere is stated clearly and wonderfully, and it makes the decision at the end all that more powerful. They were real for Verso, Maelle, and Aline, and they'll stay real through the memories and experiences they had there. But it was also something dangerous and addicting to them, the last major part of their grief over Verso they couldn't let go. The entire game reinforces that, so that by the end you can empathize with them and see from their point of view, even if letting it all go at the end is the right decision.
I guess tl;dr I hate 'it's a all a dream' twists, but I also love 'this is the power stories -- the world and characters they portray -- have over people and society' type tales, and this story leaned heavily into the latter more than the former.