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DustC H A O SMemberOct 25, 201739,934I don't really care about achievements/trophies from personal gaming perspective but I will admit they make sense from business point of view. People will buy games for them. People will play longer to get them. People will research them in relation to games.Yesterday's Direct confirmed once again that they are not bothering with that feature on a system wide level.So why do you think Nintendo is (clearly) averse to them? Do they think they cheapen the gaming experience? Do they simply not care? There has to be a reason, as I have seen this feature requested by Nintendo users quite a lot. ConflictResolverMemberJan 1, 20243,852MidgarBecause the purity of enjoying the game are the trophies. Don't need a meta layer on top of the purity. They aren't jobs, they're games.NintendoSwitchLoverMemberJun 6, 20181,055We didn't really get much info on UI and system features but maybe in typical Nintendo fashion they're waiting until they can put their own spin on itWrexisMemberNov 4, 201728,586They probably think the popups are detrimental to the core gaming experience (and yes I know you can turn them off). Personally I would hate to see this in a Mario game.strudelkuchenMemberOct 25, 201713,021ConflictResolver said:Because the purity of the game is the trophy.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Yet they add it to botw/totk via mobile app. lolTsunami561MemberMar 7, 20235,143they are thinking of a way to charge you for itKemono Legend MemberOct 27, 20178,491They need something to sell as a new nintendo idea in a few years. Just like they did yesterday with their C button.ConflictResolverMemberJan 1, 20243,852Midgarstrudelkuchen said:Yet they add it to botw/totk via mobile app. lolClick to expand...Click to shrink...Yes that is a very weird thing, because it goes completely against the design philosophy of the game.Bony ManifestoMemberOct 27, 20174,270I think it's purely Not Invented Here syndrome.GruntyMemberOct 28, 20179,699Gruntildas LairConflictResolver said:Because the purity of enjoying the game are the trophies. Don't need a meta layer on top of the purity. They aren't jobs, they're games.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Yeah okay lol antispinMemberOct 27, 20174,865They haven't found a good enough hook, most likely, beyond numbers go up. They will have something in place once they have a spin.NekoNekoCowardOct 26, 201719,981because most people don't care about this sort of thing and it's probably not part of their philosophy. many of their games have achievements built in.DarkPrinceMemberDec 2, 20171,201Participation trophies aren't needed, enjoy and focus on the game.Last_colossiThe FallenOct 27, 20174,603AustraliaConflictResolver said:Because the purity of enjoying the game are the trophies. Don't need a meta layer on top of the purity. They aren't jobs, they're games.Click to expand...Click to shrink....1000% this.Swarming1182MemberJan 14, 2018520I think it's just antithetical to their core approach to gaming.That's not to say I'm not a little disappointed they don't appear to be included. One of the things I like about trophies is they can offer an incentive to explore all the nooks and crannies of a game where I might otherwise have just put it down and started something else.But I think Nintendo see the joy of playing the game itself as somewhat undermined by some overhead 'meta' progression/achievement system which distracts from just enjoying the game for its own sake.DECKARDCreator of WormsVerifiedNov 26, 20176,916UKI always saw achievements as being like a job when baked into the OS. Or simply bragging points.Implement them on a game by game basis, if it suits them, but demanding it?Nah.nsilviasMemberOct 25, 201729,314they dont wanna know the real numbers on how many people dont finish games.nofflesUncle Works at NintendoMemberNov 10, 20171,125I think Nintendo's approach is to just let it be an ingame system if there is something. Sakurai's mantra seems to be working one in despite what hardware he's on, and it usually ends up with a more interesting system along the lines of Kid Icarus.eZipsisThe FallenOct 25, 20172,869Melbourne, AustraliaNintendo probably won't do them because trophy lists always get leaked and the trophies will contain spoilers and Nintendo is firmly against any spoilers for their games.I couldn't care less about trophies or achievements, so it doesn't bother me at all they aren't there.AlehMemberOct 27, 201719,435Because achievements suck and they happen to agree with me on this one thing GovernWortProphet of TruthMemberFeb 20, 20201,066ConflictResolver said:Because the purity of enjoying the game are the trophies. Don't need a meta layer on top of the purity. They aren't jobs, they're games.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Mario Party Jamboree has achievements.LotusOne Winged SlayerMemberOct 25, 2017121,944Beats me, but I'm glad that's the case.KalorResettlement AdvisorMemberOct 25, 201720,683I imagine it's a case of not wanting to make it mandatory versus an opposition to them. Once it's added on a system level then there's a expectation every game will have them even if it was optional for developers. So instead they just add it in-game on a case by case basis.unicornKnight Legend MemberOct 27, 201714,404Athens, GreeceThe global play data and my play data they did for Zelda Notes should be a thing for all games:CheesetrianglesMemberDec 5, 20172,351Because they know they are bad.KtSlimeMemberOct 25, 20176,967TokyoPretty thankful, leave it up to the game designer to decide what kind of rewards system their game will have,DECKARDCreator of WormsVerifiedNov 26, 20176,916UKKtSlime said:Pretty thankful, leave it up to the game designer to decide what kind of rewards system their game will have,Click to expand...Click to shrink...Yep.Shoehorning in silly requirements to be able to 100% a game which doesn't really suit such a system is horrible.EinBearMemberOct 27, 20171,948I really like achievements/trophies as a record of the games I've played. It's just fun to go back on my Xbox profile and see my Oblivion achievements from the summer of 2006 or whatever.I'd be happy if they'd just kept the activity log going from the 3DS really, it sucks that they scrapped it. If my Switch 2 profile showed I'd played 50 hours of A Link Between Worlds on the 3DS, that would pretty cool.GreywarenMemberJul 16, 201912,571SpainThey know I don't care about them, so they don't bother.andymoogleMemberOct 27, 20173,219I would think is is because they are mostly useless. Do you really need a pat on the shoulder every other step in a campaign?I know they are fairly popular, but that doesn't mean it's something good. I don't know how many times I've seen on this site that people say that they won't buy a game because it doesn't have a Platinum trophy. That's an addiction and you are clearly not enjoying gaming. And on achievement/trophy focused sites it's even more depressing reading the comments. bob1001 Legend MemberMay 7, 20202,036Because they're based af. Just not for my wallet. Yoshi88MemberOct 26, 20171,399Systemwide they always felt like a toxic way of comparing yourself to others (in German: "Schwanzvergleich") and that's so not Nintendo.Game by game-basis with added benefits (stickers, unlocks, stamps) seems to serve them well.I feel people, especially in a niche enthusiast place like this, heavily overestimate their appeal in selling a console/ game.Bony ManifestoMemberOct 27, 20174,270andymoogle said:I would think is is because they are mostly useless. Do you really need a pat on the shoulder every other step in a campaign?Click to expand...Click to shrink...Have you played a Nintendo game before? They're the kings of constant positive reinforcement!SolidSnakexMemberOct 25, 201727,289ConflictResolver said:Because the purity of enjoying the game are the trophies. Don't need a meta layer on top of the purity. They aren't jobs, they're games.Click to expand...Click to shrink...It has nothing to do with that, and people need to stop twisting themselves into knots to justify this when it comes to NintendoThe achievements will track things like weapons collected, the number of shrines completed, and other in-game metrics. Another achievement system, medals, will be awarded for reaching certain in-game milestones.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Zelda Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom will have achievements on Nintendo Switch 2 | VGCIn-app achievements will be exclusive to the Nintendo Switch 2 versions of the gameswww.videogameschronicle.comThey always have to do some nonsense like this instead of just accepting that something works well and implementing it.SnakeEaterMemberOct 31, 20171,272They don't know how to monetize them yetandymoogleMemberOct 27, 20173,219SolidSnakex said:It has nothing to do with that, and people need to stop twisting themselves into knots to justify this when it comes to NintendoZelda Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom will have achievements on Nintendo Switch 2 | VGCIn-app achievements will be exclusive to the Nintendo Switch 2 versions of the gameswww.videogameschronicle.comThey always have to do some nonsense like this instead of just accepting that something works well and implementing it.Click to expand...Click to shrink...Good. Achievements are nonsense and can be put outside of the system.GruntyMemberOct 28, 20179,699Gruntildas LairI just won't be buying a single game that isn't exclusive then. Just like I haven't for Wii, Wii U, or Switch for this very reason.JawmuncherCrisis DinoModeratorOct 25, 201743,994Ibis IslandAside from the additional resources it takes, I think it's also a point where it won't make a difference.The demand for the feature isn't going to increase sales if they suddenly added it. We're far away from Gen 7 where it actually was.The App inclusion is a nice compromise if people absolutely must have it, even if it's only for Zelda.RaysoulFat4All Ruined My RugMemberOct 26, 20173,339Forced achievements sucks. Leave it per game.Delicious WafflesMemberNov 5, 20175,745Have it, don't have it. Doesn't matter to me. MarshallLawMemberOct 19, 20231,140Because it's not necessary? They're clearly doing well without them, and as somebody that likes trophies (I wouldn't say I seek a platinum out unless I'm already naturally fairly close to it) they clearly don't feel like just adding random checklists to their games. I quite like that not having them is something different from the other two systems tbh. Just pure games and the joy that derives from that, nothing elsensilviasMemberOct 25, 201729,314andymoogle said:I would think is is because they are mostly useless. Do you really need a pat on the shoulder every other step in a campaign?I know they are fairly popular, but that doesn't mean it's something good. I don't know how many times I've seen on this site that people say that they won't buy a game because it doesn't have a Platinum trophy. That's an addiction and you are clearly not enjoying gaming. And on achievement/trophy focused sites it's even more depressing reading the comments.Click to expand...Click to shrink..." i bought this crappy game on sale cause its short and has an easy platinum"Bill GaitasMemberOct 25, 20173,933The ship sailed when they didn't bother to add a system back in 2017 when the Switch launched, no point in adding now. It sucks, I would really like to have them but oh well.GovernWortProphet of TruthMemberFeb 20, 20201,066nsilvias said:" i bought this crappy game on sale cause its short and has an easy platinum"Click to expand...Click to shrink..."im judging people on how they enjoy their hobby and spend their money"wrowaMemberOct 25, 20174,670SolidSnakex said:It has nothing to do with that, and people need to stop twisting themselves into knots to justify this when it comes to NintendoZelda Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom will have achievements on Nintendo Switch 2 | VGCIn-app achievements will be exclusive to the Nintendo Switch 2 versions of the gameswww.videogameschronicle.comThey always have to do some nonsense like this instead of just accepting that something works well and implementing it.Click to expand...Click to shrink...I don't think this is much of a counter point. There've been Nintendo games with in-game achievement systems for a long time. The point does seem to be that Nintendo thinks that achievement systems are fine for games that are suited for it and for developers who think that it enriches their games, but they apparently don't regard it as a thing that should be mandatory for all games on a system level.OhhEldenRingMemberAug 14, 20242,395nsilvias said:they dont wanna know the real numbers on how many people dont finish games.Click to expand...Click to shrink...They know this alreadyDontHateTheBaconUnshakable ResolveMemberOct 27, 201713,982They kinda put them into their games already. I guess they decided against spending the time making a system wide feature.nsilviasMemberOct 25, 201729,314GovernWort said:"im judging people on how they enjoy their hobby and spend their money"Click to expand...Click to shrink...look you can enjoy your stuff however you like but once you enter buying shovelware for easy platinums territory youve lost the plot.blueredandgoldMemberOct 25, 20178,208Nuke them from orbit.Only way to be sure.I seem to recall on here I got blown a raspberry when I complained about achievements ruining "muh immersion" during a narravtive-driven game at the end parts while playing on my Deck.Make fun of me all you want but it's the principle and the fact I had set the option not for the (obnoxious sound and visual) toast notifications to happen in-game in the first place which is my actual issue.The device reset my custom settings after an update, I'm right to point that out and I gave context for why it annoyed me.OhhEldenRingMemberAug 14, 20242,395andymoogle said:I would think is is because they are mostly useless. Do you really need a pat on the shoulder every other step in a campaign?I know they are fairly popular, but that doesn't mean it's something good. I don't know how many times I've seen on this site that people say that they won't buy a game because it doesn't have a Platinum trophy. That's an addiction and you are clearly not enjoying gaming. And on achievement/trophy focused sites it's even more depressing reading the comments.Click to expand...Click to shrink...View: https://youtu.be/zbYUOhzQmPY?feature=sharedReminds me of this sketch